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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
I've ALWAYS ran air cooling, and I always will. So any and ALL results you see from me are on air. My rig is going in the garage, which has outside temps (gets down to about 10*F here at night)....so I have all the room in the world for temps .
That's how you do it and only recently have I stepped into the world of watercooling as you know. Everything before that was done on air so I know about that. I've yet to get a Socket A on H2O so anything there is on air alone.
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I'd also bet you're in there somewhere yourself - Why not check and see?

Here's the link to the site: http://www.ripping.org/database.php?act=records
Kryton, wow that 550BE OC on LN2 is nice. Is there is a place on that site that shows more details on the chip (ie. stepping)? I clicked on the WR for the 550BE (duck) and nothing else came up...hmmm
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Originally Posted by thlnk3r View Post
JeremyWW, try a lower ratio and see where that takes you. The reason why we suggested that you disable "Spread Spectrum" and "Cool'n'Quiet" was because these two components (when Enabled) can prevent you from overclocking. Stability issues may occur with them on. I understand you're a bit a confused and that is normal. This hobby can sometimes be very tedious. This is definitely something you do not want to rush into.

Here is a guide that I highly suggest you read over. It covers overclocking a AM2 system but most of it is relative to Socket 939. Make sure to always keep your HT Link speed at stock (1000Mhz) or lower (this differs from AM2). Check it out when you have time: http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ocket-am2.html. The guide will explain on how to find the limits of each component. It's imperative that you follow this procedure so that you become aware of your systems limitations (processor, motherboard and memory).

Don't be afraid to ask more questions

Good luck
First of all, apologies to you and blitz for my mild, late night, over-tired, tantrum!

OK, I'm starting with (and please tell me if I haven't backtracked enough):

HT Link = 4X
Starting HTT = 205
Starting K8 Multiplier = 10X
Memory Divider = 2/1.33
Voltage (In BIOS) = 1.375

I'll post the results here, dropping the K8X as I go.

Edit: Instability Results (I don't understand them - chronic instability):

11X = 205
10X = 230
9X ONWARDS @ 230 - STRESS TEST FAILS, AND / OR MACHINE WON'T BOOT / UNSTABLE / LOCKS UP


Thanks guys

Edit: I actually managed to find out my CPU OPN from AMD. I called them, gave them the serial number and they told me it's an ADA4400, so it has an upper temp limit of 65°

Another Edit: After some experimentation, the only stable combination I seem to be able to use and keep the temperature just below 65° over an extended (half an hour) stress test is:

HT Link: 4X
K8 Multiplier: 10X
HTT: 225
Memory Multiplier: 2/1.66
Voltage in BIOS: 1.400

CPU-Z Link: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=862039

Do I need more / better cooling?

Edited by JeremyWW - 12/3/09 at 5:47am
post #20614 of 28692
I would suggest better cooling if you can afford it. Right now, only 50 MHz on the core at the expense of 100 MHz on the Hypertransport and 25 MHz on the RAM, does not seem worth it to me. HOWEVER: you would have to test both this and stock to see which performs better in games. Not everything is simple numbers.
     
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I would suggest better cooling if you can afford it. Right now, only 50 MHz on the core at the expense of 100 MHz on the Hypertransport and 25 MHz on the RAM, does not seem worth it to me. HOWEVER: you would have to test both this and stock to see which performs better in games. Not everything is simple numbers.
I'm not really a gamer. I'm into mutli-media. So, yes, number crunching - media file (still and video) editing and conversion. That was the motivation for this. I'd come to the same conclusion - that it was hardly worth it with these results. (I'm now back running @ stock). That's disappointing, and I would invest in better cooling but only up to a point. I.E. (Says he naively...) Can I not just buy a bigger CPU fan? Case and PSU fans are pretty good as is...
post #20616 of 28692
It is possible. Sometimes a fan upgrade (even on the stock cooler) can help, sometimes not. Some of the upgraded coolers can come pretty cheap. For example, I sometimes see Xigmatek coolers as cheap as $20.

I forgot you are in UK, that makes things a bit more expensive. I know Pez loves his Xigmatek HDT-S1283, the dark-plated version of which can be had for £31.99 after VAT.
     
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Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
It is possible. Sometimes a fan upgrade (even on the stock cooler) can help, sometimes not. Some of the upgraded coolers can come pretty cheap. For example, I sometimes see Xigmatek coolers as cheap as $20.

I forgot you are in UK, that makes things a bit more expensive. I know Pez loves his Xigmatek HDT-S1283, the dark-plated version of which can be had for £31.99 after VAT.
And that will fit my CPU / MOBO...? Do I need to check anything else? I can see that the reviews are good...
Edited by JeremyWW - 12/3/09 at 11:15am
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Provided you do not have oversized RAM heat spreaders, it should fit fine. I know Pez also bought a bracket made by an OCN member to permit mounting the cooler so the pipes are perpendicular to the table instead of parallel, which removes this limitation. At 160mm, it should fit with your case (the Thermaltake Soprano has a width of 210mm) without much difficulty, as the motherboard on standoffs is certainly shorter than 50mm.

EDIT: Link to Pez's thread. I do not know if nafljhy only makes for AM2+ or for 939 as well. (The bracket Pez has does not appear to work for 939 since it has 4 mounting screws and not 2.)
     
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Provided you do not have oversized RAM heat spreaders, it should fit fine. I know Pez also bought a bracket made by an OCN member to permit mounting the cooler so the pipes are perpendicular to the table instead of parallel, which removes this limitation. At 160mm, it should fit with your case (the Thermaltake Soprano has a width of 210mm) without much difficulty, as the motherboard on standoffs is certainly shorter than 50mm.

EDIT: Link to Pez's thread. I do not know if nafljhy only makes for AM2+ or for 939 as well. (The bracket Pez has does not appear to work for 939 since it has 4 mounting screws and not 2.)
What sort of difference to average temperatures would you expect using this fan? (I have two stock 5" fans in the case already - one front, one back + a 5" on the PSU)
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Kryton, wow that 550BE OC on LN2 is nice. Is there is a place on that site that shows more details on the chip (ie. stepping)? I clicked on the WR for the 550BE (duck) and nothing else came up...hmmm
That's all it will show you since the site gets most of it's results from sites such as HWbot and it's hosted on a private server.
If it's possible to get a particualr stepping from a CPU-Z entry, that might be the best possible way to see what it would be. That result may be listed at the bot and you could view the CPU-Z validation entry. Most likely though you'd get the stepping revision such as DR-B3 (From a Phenom Agena X4 that I have here) from the reading within the link.

Don't be suprised if myself or Pio didn't score too high on the list since we are talking about WR's here. Got lucky with the few chips I did well with and that's the story there.
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