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I didn't know that the manchester's stopped at 2.6ghz. Hmph...Its still at default voltage ni the bios, but i did a stress test last night and core temp shut down the computer because of heat. (had it set to shut off at 60)

I need a better heatsink in order to go farther. Probably should sell my laptop after I fix it, even tho its all beat up.
kwint, it's not necessarily true that Manchesters cannot exceed 2.6GHz. What is true, based on user findings statistics, is that 2.6GHz-2.7GHz is likely to be the max you can extract from a Manchester. This may seem like a mere semantic distinction, but it's a necessary distinction to emphasize, in my opinion.

At any rate, in your case, it looks like your analysis is correct. That is definitely a case of thermal throttling (the system shutting itself off because it's hitting the thermal "rev limiter," so to speak). You're likely to expand your thermal headroom, too, by installing a better heatsink.

Good luck.

EDIT: Oopsies. Didn't realize thlnk3r actually said most of what I've said here. Sorry, guys.
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Yeah I always power down my sig rig. And speaking of which I had an episode similar to yours with my 939 folding rig. Left for class came back not 2 hours later and it was off. Went to power it up and it didn't want to POST. well I swapped a bunch of stuff around and it seems to be just fine. Has been on for about a week with no issues.
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I personally always used Cool 'n' Quiet SpykeZ. However, if you possess a motherboard that does not permit you to change your multiplier and/or voltage while it is enabled, you would likely wish to turn it off and configure the Crystal-n-Quiet feature of CrystalCPUID to get your power savings. My Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 was one. My Abit AT8-32x permitted me to change the voltage, but not the multiplier. (For the record, my DFI LP DK 790FX-M2RS did not permit a change to voltage or multiplier while C'n'Q was enabled until the very latest BIOS update last month.)
     
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No CnQ for me. I just turn my rig off when I'm not using it.
    
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In my case, I often use the rig, but only a fraction of its needs. For example, I am only using about 2% load, why do I need a 3.5 GHz CPU when a 0.9 GHz CPU can do the job just as well?
     
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In my case, I often use the rig, but only a fraction of its needs. For example, I am only using about 2% load, why do I need a 3.5 GHz CPU when a 0.9 GHz CPU can do the job just as well?
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Methinks Blitzer here needs to go outside far more.



Just kidding.

But not really.

    
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In my case, I often use the rig, but only a fraction of its needs. For example, I am only using about 2% load, why do I need a 3.5 GHz CPU when a 0.9 GHz CPU can do the job just as well?
CPU Load is not relative to CPU Speed.

You can think of CPU Load like passengers in a Taxi:

If you Load is 25%, you have 1 passenger in your car. If your load is 50%, you have 2 passengers in the car.

Now speed is relative to where the passengers (IE: Data) is going.
If you are going at 60 MPH, it does not matter how many passengers you have in the car, you are still going at 60 MPH.

IE: Speed is not Relative to load as they are seperate factors.

You will speed up to get Passengers or Data to their point faster, but no matter what, the amount of Data coming in will always be a constant.

So no matter how fast you go, 4 passengers will be 100% load.
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I ask then Tator Tot, why when C'n'Q kicks in (dropping me from 3510 to 960) does load increase from 2% to about 8%?
     
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So would 4 cores be like having 4 taxis?
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I ask then Tator Tot, why when C'n'Q kicks in (dropping me from 3510 to 960) does load increase from 2% to about 8%?
Data congestion.

You are not processing the data out fast enough, but you still have more data that is in line to be processed, so as long as you do not top out at 100% load, you will use your resources to pick up more data.

It's just like a Taxi picking up more people along his route to take one person somewhere.

Obviously the in this case (unlike a taxi) you know before hand where the data (or passengers) would be going.

A better way to think of it in this case, would be like a Bus, as CPU's are SIMD. Single Instruction (Drive) Multiple Data (many passengers)

EDIT: Also, load could be varrying on just what is needed at the times. CPU Usage spikes are not uncommon for programs to have, even basic ones like Word, FireFox, WMP, ect.

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So would 4 cores be like having 4 taxis?
It depends on the application.

Obviously if the application can call 4 cores for operations (IE: like a friend calling 4 taxi's for his 4 friends) then yes, it would be.

But say you can only call 2 taxi's, or only need to call 2 taxi's because of where the passengers of the Taxi's need to go, then you will only use 2 Taxi's (IE cores) to get the passengers to their destination (IE: Data processed)
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