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Ny_driver, it's possible that either the cooler or the IHS may not be completely flat. Surfaces that are convex/concave will prevent poor contact thus resulting in cooling issues. If the surfaces are also scratched or dinged then that can cause issues as well. To fix the problem users will usually lap both the cooler and processor. For more details on this process check out this link: http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...ltake-big.html.

Just FYI you do not have to spread the TIM across the IHS. The "die" is on the middle of the wafer so technically that is all that needs to be cooled. For your reference here is the application instructions straight from Arctic Silver: http://www.arcticsilver.com/ins_route_step2amdas5.html.

Remember pressure from mounting the cooler will evenly spread the TIM so don't worry about manually spreading it.

Hope that helps
Yeah I don't know what I was thinking.....I know the core is in the center, but I guess I was trying for as even as possible contact between the IHS and HS....I have printed directions from AS5...but the cooler says use twice as much for some reason and I tried that but didn't like the results. It "seems" to be making good contact now(idling at 30-31c @ +300MHz/ stock volts)...the surfaces look flat and new/unscratched. Thanks for the advice...if it persists at running too hot under testing I guess I'll have to take out the mobo again and follow AS5 instructions. the AC freezer was kind of a pain to mount, but this thing is impossible.:swearing:EDIT: a pair of pliers helps a lot.

EDIT: N2Gaming I have not lapped either yet and am using AS5... I also read some reviews and decided it should definitely be a good jump better than my ACfreezer64pro...... maybe I concluded wrong.
Edited by ny_driver - 1/11/10 at 6:41pm
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Arctic Silver 5 requires a 200 hour burn-in period to get the best temperatures according to Arctic Silver. I see the largest change in the first 50-100 hours. Remember, this time period requires having the computer off for a while to let the CPU return to room temperature. If your CPU runs cooler with the doors on than off, your case is properly functioning in my opinion.
     
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EDIT: N2Gaming I have not lapped either yet and am using AS5... I read some reviews and decided it should definitely be a good jump better than my ACfreezer64pro...... maybe I concluded wrong.
I would not jump to that conclusion just yet. I would try a few things first before thowing in the towel. The cooler looks like it has potential.

Regarding your AS5. Be very carefull using that stuff as it is conductive and could cause circuits to short out if you accidentally get some on them. This is one of the primary reasons I will never use AS5 not to mention the long cure time before you truly know what your final temps will settle at.

I prefer Arctic Cooling's MX-2 but there are many out there like OCZ Freez. Zalman's grease in a bottle w/bruch applicator is not to shabby either.

I think you may have a couple of things in combonation working against you w/this CPU/HSF combo atm.

Check the surfaces of both CPU & HSF so see if they are flat. Do you have a flat edge rule or anthing else like a piece of flat glass that you can use to determine if the mating surfaces are flat. Oh yeah also as thinker mentioned if you have scratches that you feel w/your findernails then you may need a lap job to creat more surface contact for improved cooling.

On another note: I am Prime Stable at 3.5GHz and DDR-1000 w/8G of Ram in P95 Temps never breached 50C



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On another note: I am Prime Stable at 3.5GHz and DDR-1000 w/8G of Ram in P95 Temps never breached 50C
N2Gaming, right on man! Looking good
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Impressive N2Gaming.

I personally have swapped from Arctic Silver 5 to OCZ Freeze Extreme. The latter is about 1º C better than Arctic Silver 5 and has no burn-in period. Only problems with it are (1) the cost and (2) it is a little harder to apply.
     
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Thanks Thlnk3r & blitz.

I have not tried OCZ Freez yet but I was quite dissapointed when I got my MX-2 from the egg. I opened the package when I got it w/anticipation like a kid at chrismas time but once the tube was in my hand I felt sad and said out loud to myself " That's it " like that Bon Jovi song where the girl says " That's it " Yeah I felt robbed I tell you, because there is not enough TIM in the tube for what I paid. So yes I agree this stuff is expensive. I'd like to find a 30gram or similar size tube Of MX-2 but don't think I would use that much any time soon to justify the cost.
Edited by N2Gaming - 1/11/10 at 11:51am
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All TIM's are expensive. But most of the time, you are buying TIM at almost cost.

Also, MX-2 gives you MORE TIM for LESS MONEY than AS5. (Going off MSRP for price.)

The winner is cost/amount of decent TIM is AS Ceramique though. But we only really use that for DICE/LN2 runs because MX-*/Freeze/AS5 and a number of other TIMs crystallize after a certain thermal threshold. (Not the same temp for each TIM)

MX-2 = 4Grams $8
AS5 = 3.5Grams $8
OCZ Freeze Extreme = 3 Grams $6
ICD7 = 1.5 Grams $7
ICD24 = 4.8 Grams $20
MX-3 = 4 Grams $13
AS Ceramique = 22Grams $10
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Good info Tator. Rep +
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Thanks man.

Price/Performance I always put my money on MX-2. In my tests, I got across the board (Athlon 64 x2 4000+ @ 3.0, Opty 185 @ 3.0, E8400 @ 4.0, Q8200 @ 3.4, Phenom x4 9950 @ 3.2) a 1*C difference.

While some might call that a margin of error, I have a feeling if 5 maxed out CPU's are all calling it on load & idle, then I might be onto something.

Though, OCZ Freeze & MX-2 are both 1 Gram for $2, and with the difference, it usually comes down to whats available.

Arctic Cooling has started including MX-3 on all it's newer products (AC Freezer 7 Pro Rev2 known for sure) so I really love the company for that. They use a thicker layer, but even after re-apply of MX-2 to my AC Freezer 64 Pro, I saw no change in my amount vs there amount as far as temps were concerned So they are obviously doing something right.
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Good info above Tator

Interesting enougn my H50 came with shin etsu applied to the base already. So far my temps during load have been great!
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