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whew...I got my $50 2GB kit of Mushkin Enhanced Redline xp4000 today(48 hours from LA to NY), usps is awesome. CPUZ says that each stick is a 991492...must be 2 of them make a 991493 kit like it says on the stickers. Unfortunately I'll have to put in a different cpu in order to test them, because like my OCZ platinums, they won't post at 1T with this single channel 170. Memory just won't overclock very much on the single channel 170. I think I will test them in the same single channel configuration on the 180 also, just to see what happens. I'll update later.

Anyways I got them quick and they look good, and were super carefully packaged like they were made of glass.

EDIT/update: I got the 180 back in and the memory in dual channel, but look at what cpuz says about it with the divider set to 250. Is this because the mobo was only designed originally to take up to DDR400? I'm using a modded bios with dividers above 200 added.
I haven't done any testing yet. I'll keep updating.
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3...ithmushkin.png
The part # is correct, but cpuz is reading the memory wrong I think.
Edited by ny_driver - 2/18/10 at 10:07am
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Having owned the exact RAM, I can confirm the SPD is reading properly. As to the memory divider, that is a more interesting question. Right now you are running 201x12 no? If so, your RAM should be running at DDR-482.4 as it shows:

12 multi * 201 actual = 2412 clock
(250 divider / 200 stock) * 201 actual = 251.25
2412/250 = 9.6
ceiling(9.6) = 10

2412 MHz / 10 = 241.2 MHz = DDR-482.4




12 x 208 with DDR-500 divider will give you DDR-500, and a 2.5 GHz CPU.
     
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Having owned the exact RAM, I can confirm the SPD is reading properly. As to the memory divider, that is a more interesting question. Right now you are running 201x12 no? If so, your RAM should be running at DDR-482.4 as it shows:

12 multi * 201 actual = 2412 clock
(250 divider / 200 stock) * 201 actual = 251.25
2412/250 = 9.6
ceiling(9.6) = 10

2412 MHz / 10 = 241.2 MHz = DDR-482.4




12 x 208 with DDR-500 divider will give you DDR-500, and a 2.5 GHz CPU.
yes, your calculations are correct. I changed the multi to 10 and set the ram divider to 200, and set fsb to 270 and they passed memtest with 3-3-2-8-1T...so I'd say they are the real thing. I'll try 275 and 280 later, but I read a review and it has a chart of what they were able to get and how stable.....what did you get out of yours blitz?

My dividers are weird. 250 gives me 241, 233 gives me 219, and 216 gives me 200. I think I'm better off just using the standard 200 divider with the multi at 10.

here is that review and performance chart.....http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/M...000-2GB/2.html
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Your dividers are not weird, they are functioning properly. The advantage of the integrated northbridge of a K8 (running at the exact same speed as the CPU) is the bandwidth. The disadvantage, of course, is the use of algebra required to find out what RAM speed you will actually have. My Deneb (a K10.5) has a distinct northbridge unlike my old Brisbane (K8) or your Denmark (K8). The northbridge runs slower (only 2.3 GHz instead of 3.6 GHz) resulting in much lower bandwidths (8 GBps instead of 10 GBps), but the math is much simpler. For a distinct northbridge:

RAM = (divider / stock HTT) * HTT; in my case, 400 / 200 * 270 = 540 = DDR2-1080

For an integrated northbridge:

CPU Clock = Multiplier * HTT
Actual Divider = (Theoretical Divider / Stock HTT) * HTT
Divisor = ceiling (CPU Clock / Actual Divider)*
RAM Speed = CPU Clock / Divisor

(Your case with DDR-500 is already illustrated above)

DDR-466:

CPU Clock = 12 * 201 = 2412
Actual Divider = (233 / 200) * 201 = 234.165
Divisor = ceiling (2412 / 234.165) = 11
RAM Speed = 2412 / 11 = 219.3 = DDR-438.5

DDR-433:

Actual Divider = (216 / 200) * 201 = 217.08
Divisor = ceiling (2412 / 217.08) = 12
RAM Speed = 2412 / 12 = 201 = DDR-402
(the astute will notice is the is the same as the DDR-400 divider, for THIS multiplier and HTT)

Unless you are running DDR-200 or DDR-400, any RAM speeds / dividers will look "funky" accordingly

*Ceiling function means to always round to the next integer regardless of the decimal; 9.2, 9.6, and 9.9 all would ceiling to 10
     
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Thanks for that explanation, although to be honest I don't entirely understand some of the terminology and math, but I could read a little and probably figure it out.

Anyways, I tested my RAM at 280 and then 275 (3-3-3-8-1T)and it failed at both settings. How high were you able to run yours at?

And did you say that it would be advantageous bandwidth wise to run 1:1 with no dividers?
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The best bandwidth USUALLY occurs with 1:1. Running only one kit, I was able to do 11x254.7 200:200 at 3-3-2-8. That is, DDR-509. I had actually ran two kits most of the time, and so, could not get the divider that high. Instead, I ran 11x254.7 200:166 2-3-2-6. That is, DDR-400. The bandwidth due to the tight(ish) timings was around 5400 MBps. (Spec for DDR-400 dual channel is 6400 MBps; single channel is 3200 MBps.)
     
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The best bandwidth USUALLY occurs with 1:1. Running only one kit, I was able to do 11x254.7 200:200 at 3-3-2-8. That is, DDR-509. I had actually ran two kits most of the time, and so, could not get the divider that high. Instead, I ran 11x254.7 200:166 2-3-2-6. That is, DDR-400. The bandwidth due to the tight(ish) timings was around 5400 MBps. (Spec for DDR-400 dual channel is 6400 MBps; single channel is 3200 MBps.)
OK good information, thank you. I was wondering though...didn't you ever try to see what the maximum speed you could run it at was, you know by lowering the divider? Right now I'm running at 270x10 200:200 3-3-2-8. I was kind of expecting 280 stable 3-3-3-8 after reading up on the kit. Must be they vary some. But 270 is in my "HTT hole" so I'm going to have to do some math and adjust when I get my new 180(LCB9E) because I want to get 3GHz with the RAM at 270. I'm not sure which divider I will have to use. Actually I'll probably have to use a multi of 11.
EDIT: hopefully 273 FSB is out of the hole, and the memory will pass @ 273.
gonna test that now.
Edited by ny_driver - 2/18/10 at 1:37pm
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No, I never really tried to be honest.
     
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ok well with a FSB of 300 using the 183 divider, my memory lands right at 270MHz. So I think my best bet is going to be 300x10 with the 183 divider. How much of a performance hit do you take, roughly, using a divider?
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