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IT's like I was telling you before, memtest tests JUST them RAM. It doesn't incorporate the CPU 1 bit.
When running prime/S&M the integrated memory controller on the CPU gets used, to a lesser or greater degree.

I run memtest just to see if the RAM can handle the speed, then I integrate in to my CPU overclock and test from there. But then again I find the exact limit of the CPU before I even think about running OC'd RAM.
Yes, I remember...I run memtest to see if the memory can handle the speed it's at, then I run s&m to quick test the cpu and to see if the IMC can handle the memory at a given speed, and if it passes those two tests then run prime to see if everything is as stable as it seems. That is what I have been doing.

Yesterday when prime failed after 2.5 hours, I then back tracked and ran s&m memory test and discovered that the memory speed was too high@ 242MHz even though it had passed memtest. I dropped back to the 166 divider which put me at 207.5MHz which passed s&m memory test. I figured that prime would do better after this adjustment, so I turned prime on and went to bed. Well when I awoke 6 hours later, to the sound of that Tornado fan....., I found that core#1 had failed after 1.5 hours, and core#0 was still going. Max temps of 50c(core#0), and 58c on the one that failed.

The settings were 1.5v-253x11.5-RAM@207.5MHz(2.5-3-2-5-1T). The one thing I think that could be a problem is the HT link being too high @ 1012....my board is only rated at 800MHz. You think that might be the cause of failure. I've noticed though that when I have forgotten to lower the HT multi when OCing, that if it's too high the computer usually won't post. Thanks for listening and contemplating the reason for my failure.

Is it common with socket 939 to OC the cpu to it's limit, AND have the RAM OCed to it's limit? Or do people usually end up with the RAM at stock speed?

EDIT: Right now I'm going to drop the HT multi to 3x and lower the memory to the 150 divider which should definitely be under it's rated speed(yup it's 182MHz) then I'm going to run prime again. Any other suggestions, I'll be here on the other computer.

quick question before testing: do you think it is likely that with a lower cpu OC that I could run the RAM at a higher speed and pass prime? Or is the IMC only capable of handling "x" speed with stability, regardless of the cpu speed?

UPDATE: failed again after 1 hour 21 minutes even after this mornings adjustments.
I think my next step will be to resurrect the Abit AV8 K8T800pro, and see if I have any better results with that chipset. That board will allow me to adjust the chipset voltage as well as other things this board does not. I'm determined to succeed @ a stable 2.9GHz OC.
Edited by ny_driver - 3/8/10 at 7:37am
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The Hypertransport at 1012 should not affect anything. It is normal to have both the CPU and the RAM overclocked at the same time yes. I believe it is possible that your CPU is just overclocked too far without getting a chipset overclock. While you could try the AV8 K8T800 Pro, I do not see much a point. I personally experimented with a Asus A8V-X while my Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 was dead, and it could hardly hold a candle to it. Those Via chipsets are not always the best for overclocking. (Granted, the Abit is an enthusiast's board, the Asus was a bargain board.) The biggest thing you have to check: you must make absolutely sure your PCI and AGP clocks lock. A lot of those Via boards did not lock down, causing you very limited HTT headroom. I returned the Asus and went PCIe; when the Gigabyte returned from RMA, it went in my garage, where it sits to this day... waiting for me to have money/parts to rebuild it.
     
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The Hypertransport at 1012 should not affect anything. It is normal to have both the CPU and the RAM overclocked at the same time yes. I believe it is possible that your CPU is just overclocked too far without getting a chipset overclock. While you could try the AV8 K8T800 Pro, I do not see much a point. I personally experimented with a Asus A8V-X while my Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 was dead, and it could hardly hold a candle to it. Those Via chipsets are not always the best for overclocking. (Granted, the Abit is an enthusiast's board, the Asus was a bargain board.) The biggest thing you have to check: you must make absolutely sure your PCI and AGP clocks lock. A lot of those Via boards did not lock down, causing you very limited HTT headroom. I returned the Asus and went PCIe; when the Gigabyte returned from RMA, it went in my garage, where it sits to this day... waiting for me to have money/parts to rebuild it.
I have to give it a try. The AV8 has more OC options, it allows a higher HT frequency, and it has chipset voltage adjustments. Besides that I have 2 Neo2 Platinums running, might as well have a little variety here. Thanks for the advice blitz.
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I saw this and remembered a member was trying to rebal his chipset on his DFI so I figured I would link a reballing kit that I just saw on Ebay for $8.99 + S/H http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:B:SS:US:1123
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I saw this and remembered a member was trying to rebal his chipset on his DFI so I figured I would link a reballing kit that I just saw on Ebay for $8.99 + S/H http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:B:SS:US:1123
What is this and why would one want to do it?
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I really want a 939 sometime...
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What is this and why would one want to do it?
It's for changing the north bridge chip I think. As far as wanting to do it I don't know.
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What were your old sticks rated at? Maybe you could RMA them?

Very nice result on that other sempy. It'll be fun just to mess around with and have a spare/test chip around. If all goes as planned I might just have some 939 gear up for sale.
These sticks had the *#@! volted out of them and that's probrably why they went bad soooo.... there goes the warranty.

I plan on getting a few more sets before it's over with. BTW, the old sticks are rated as PC 16000, the new set is PC 13333 with both being OCZ Platinum sticks (2x1GB).
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Yes, I remember...I run memtest to see if the memory can handle the speed it's at, then I run s&m to quick test the cpu and to see if the IMC can handle the memory at a given speed, and if it passes those two tests then run prime to see if everything is as stable as it seems. That is what I have been doing.

Yesterday when prime failed after 2.5 hours, I then back tracked and ran s&m memory test and discovered that the memory speed was too high@ 242MHz even though it had passed memtest. I dropped back to the 166 divider which put me at 207.5MHz which passed s&m memory test. I figured that prime would do better after this adjustment, so I turned prime on and went to bed. Well when I awoke 6 hours later, to the sound of that Tornado fan....., I found that core#1 had failed after 1.5 hours, and core#0 was still going. Max temps of 50c(core#0), and 58c on the one that failed.

The settings were 1.5v-253x11.5-RAM@207.5MHz(2.5-3-2-5-1T). The one thing I think that could be a problem is the HT link being too high @ 1012....my board is only rated at 800MHz. You think that might be the cause of failure. I've noticed though that when I have forgotten to lower the HT multi when OCing, that if it's too high the computer usually won't post. Thanks for listening and contemplating the reason for my failure.

Is it common with socket 939 to OC the cpu to it's limit, AND have the RAM OCed to it's limit? Or do people usually end up with the RAM at stock speed?

EDIT: Right now I'm going to drop the HT multi to 3x and lower the memory to the 150 divider which should definitely be under it's rated speed(yup it's 182MHz) then I'm going to run prime again. Any other suggestions, I'll be here on the other computer.

quick question before testing: do you think it is likely that with a lower cpu OC that I could run the RAM at a higher speed and pass prime? Or is the IMC only capable of handling "x" speed with stability, regardless of the cpu speed?

UPDATE: failed again after 1 hour 21 minutes even after this mornings adjustments.
I think my next step will be to resurrect the Abit AV8 K8T800pro, and see if I have any better results with that chipset. That board will allow me to adjust the chipset voltage as well as other things this board does not. I'm determined to succeed @ a stable 2.9GHz OC.
Sorry, didn't mean to come off sounding condescending.


I'm kind of with Blitz on this, try a lower multiplier and a higher HTrefClk; also, from what I've noticed, 939's tend not to like the .5 multipliers. For whatever that's worth.

And if that still doesn't work, definitely start from scratch.
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These sticks had the *#@! volted out of them and that's probrably why they went bad soooo.... there goes the warranty.
Well if they're toast anyway, I'd go for an RMA anyway. I mean is there really a way that they can prove that they were overvolted?
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I plan on getting a few more sets before it's over with. BTW, the old sticks are rated as PC 16000, the new set is PC 13333 with both being OCZ Platinum sticks (2x1GB).
What's your overall opinion of OCZ RAM? That's what I'm going to use in my next build (tomorrow...can't wait!!). I believe they're 1333, what can I say, they were cheap. ~$60 for 3GB. Not bad but not great, and they're pretty.
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EDIT: where are my manners...I should have said please tell me what happened. I think I have to do a hot flash now in case you don't feel like reading all that.

Actually first let me tell you what happened and then you can tell me what you think happened. I installed the K8T800pro with all the same components otherwise. I think I may have caused my problem, you see, the IDE cable was too short to reach from my cd drive to the proper jack(ide#2), so I hooked it to ide#1 to see if it would work. I tried to start the computer and it didn't POST proper so I shut it down and went to reset the cmos again, but when I moved it to the "clear" position it powered the system and it was going on and off , on and off until I killed it with the switch. I then proceeded to dig and find a cable would reach and now I get only a black screen when I power on the computer. EDIT: clearing the cmos no longer powers the system, I'm going to take out the battery, clear cmos and unplug it until morning.
I tried switching memory, and re-seating the cpu.

Do you think I may have corrupted the BIOS chip or something that can be fixed? I have an extra BIOS chip for the Neo2, but it's the same type. Could I try using that and flash the BIOS on it?

EDIT:I gotta do a hot flash huh? Sounds pretty simple. I shouldn't even need the extra chip, I can just use the same one. Wish me luck.
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