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Also, it is a little underpowered in my opinion for 1080p, but if you really want a new graphics card for around $110 (the cost of an HD 4670 AGP) I would instead recommend an HD 5670 PCIe for the new motherboard. Same cost, more power. The cheapest HD 5770 1 GB is about $30 more. For 1080p, you DEFINITELY want 1 GB and not 512 MB if at all possible. I am willing to place money down that an HD 5770 with a 225x12 (2700 MHz; taking into account the supposed 225 MHz HTT limitation on the server board with your new 180's 12x mutli) would beat an HD 4670 AGP with a 250x12 (3000 MHz) CPU on anything except Crysis. Heck, I would be willing to go as far to say it would likely also beat 260x12 (3120 MHz) given its extra "kick."
     
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Lights behind you can shine light onto the monitor. The best situation is to have the monitor near or against the wall with diffuse light behind it. The light should be of equal intensity to the average picture level of the monitor. The easiest way to adjust this is to make a BMP equal to your native resolution, and flood fill it with 50% gray. That is, red = green = blue = 128 / 255. Then open as a slide show to that image such that it fills your entire monitor. Adjust the backlight such that it appears to be the same color and intensity as the 50% gray displayed.

Given the choice between 1024x768 @ 85 Hz and 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz (the specced refresh rate for that resolution) I would likely only take the 1600x1200 if it has a minimum frame rate of 75 Hz. Else, I would take the 1024x768. I personally always strive to make my MINIMUM (not average) FPS to be equal or greater to the monitor's refresh rate.
I use a lamp in the corner, it works good but maybe I'll get more technical when I get a new monitor. As long as my minimum framerate is 30 or better I can't tell the difference anyways.

EDIT: anyways, so I need a 5770.....they are not that expensive. I hope I can get at least a 250FSB on that Tyan Tomkat.

EDIT: ohh I just remembered how do I tell if I need pci-e 16x-2.0, 2.1 or what?
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Well, there are two ways to do it: the easy way, and the hard way. The hard way (what I did) is to try to estimate how many watts you need and buy appropriately. It takes four puck lights mounted in the corners of my TV to do it correctly. The easy way is to put your lamp on a dimmer switch and just turn it down until it is the correct brightness. It is one of those things that really seems like a minor, trivial detail until you do it and realize what you were missing.
     
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Aside of Fermi, the GTX 295, and an HD 5970, most cards will be fine in PCIe 2.0 8x or PCIe 1.0 16x. Those three cards start to show a bit of a determinable penalty in gaming, whereas lesser cards like an HD 5870, a GTX 285, or similar will show a penalty only in benchmarks. Cards slower than them (HD 5770, GTX 260, or similar) are completely indistinguishable on the lowered bandwidth I reference above.
     
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Aside of Fermi, the GTX 295, and an HD 5970, most cards will be fine in PCIe 2.0 8x or PCIe 1.0 16x. Those three cards start to show a bit of a determinable penalty in gaming, whereas lesser cards like an HD 5870, a GTX 285, or similar will show a penalty only in benchmarks. Cards slower than them (HD 5770, GTX 260, or similar) are completely indistinguishable on the lowered bandwidth I reference above.
I guess I should have been clearer. The specs for the Tomkat say it has a PCI-E 16x slot. I was looking at the egg and see that there are different types of PCI-E 16x cards and don't understand the difference or what I can use.
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PCIe is backwards compatible. You can put a PCIe 2.0 card into a PCIe 1.0 slot. PCIe 2.1 is, as far as I know, also the same as PCIe 2.1 in terms of backward compatibility. Technically speaking, PCIe 2.0 is twice as fast as PCIe 1.0 of equal width. (As I said, PCIe 2.0 8x = PCIe 1.0 16x.) I believe that PCIe 3.0 (no card presently on the market) will be twice that of PCIe 2.0, or four times that of PCIe 1.0.
     
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PCIe is backwards compatible. You can put a PCIe 2.0 card into a PCIe 1.0 slot. PCIe 2.1 is, as far as I know, also the same as PCIe 2.1 in terms of backward compatibility. Technically speaking, PCIe 2.0 is twice as fast as PCIe 1.0 of equal width. (As I said, PCIe 2.0 8x = PCIe 1.0 16x.) I believe that PCIe 3.0 (no card presently on the market) will be twice that of PCIe 2.0, or four times that of PCIe 1.0.
so the Tomkat is 1.0....what happens when I put a 2.0 card in there, does it run at only 8x speed?

actually this is what it says....now I'm really confused.

Model Tomcat K8E (S2865)
CPU Type Socket 939
Chipset nVIDIA nForce4; SMSC DME1737
Memory type Dual Channel DDR 400/333
Memory sockets 4
Max. Memory 4 GB
Graphics interface PCI-Express X16
PCI-Express X16 (X8) 1
PCI-Express X1 (X2,X4) 2
PCI 4
Integrated PCI Graphics ATI RAGE XL PCI graphics
RAID Yes ( 0, 1, 0+1)
LAN Broadcom BCM5721 GbE controller & CK8-04 integrated MAC with Marvell 88E1111-CAA GbE PHY
Audio Realtek ALC655 5.1 channel audio CODEC
Codec channel 8
IDE ATA 2 ATA-133/100/66/33, 4*SATAII (3.0Gb/s)
USB 2.0 8 (4 by cable)
PCB size 12" x 9.6"
Form Factor ATX
IEEE 1394 2 1394b

won't that kinda suck running a 5770 @ 8x?
Edited by ny_driver - 3/22/10 at 6:59pm
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It will run at PCIe 1.0 16x, as the board is rated for, it just happens to be the same speed as if you had a PCIe 2.0 8x. The advantage of getting an HD 5770 now is that when you eventually go to Socket 1156, 1366, or AM3, you can get another and crossfire the two of them.
     
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PCIe 2.0 x1 = PCIe 1.x x2

So x8 PCIe 1.0 = PCIe x4

But that shouldn't be too bad. I'd thing a 7% hit in performance at max.
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We are going to need to wait on Tator for this, but I read "PCI-Express X16 (X8) 1" as meaning the slot is physically 16x, but electrically 8x... I think that is why he picked the numbers he did for his post just prior to mine. For the record, PCIe 1.0 8x is a just a hair slower than AGP 8x. 2000 MBps compared to 2133 MBps.
     
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Thermaltake Massive23 CS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Windows XP Home x64 SP3 (via Virtualbox) DOS 5.0 (via DOSbox) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
17.0" Diagonal Widescreen WSXGA+ Internal only 19 V, 6.32 A Stock 17" Satellite shell (8.5 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G500 Small generic black foam mat HP Thin USB Powered Speakers Fiio E5 Headphone Amplifier 
AudioOtherOther
Griffin iTrip P1141 Microsoft GPS 168 Toshiba Backpack PA1366U-1NCS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ Barton Hewlett-Packard 0024 ATI Mobility Radeon IGP-320M Crucial CT6464X265.16FG 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Toshiba MK4021GAS Toshiba SD-R2512 Stock heatpipes Windows XP Home SP3 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
15.0" XGA TFT Internal only 18.5 V, 4.9 A Stock 15" Pavilion Shell (8 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech MX510 Gaming Optical Generic gel-based green Internal Altec Lansing only Targus PAU10KU 
OtherOther
D-Link DWL-G650M Generic black messenger-style bag 
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