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A true overclocker will overclock everything to the absolute limits just because they are there. The limits, of course, will greatly depend on how crazy you are. (Pio's limits, for example, tend to be a fair bit higher than mine.) Stopping at an overclock simply because it is "good enough," and not because, in your opinion, it is as high as the part can go is just sloppy.
     
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A true overclocker will overclock everything to the absolute limits just because they are there. The limits, of course, will greatly depend on how crazy you are. (Pio's limits, for example, tend to be a fair bit higher than mine.) Stopping at an overclock simply because it is "good enough," and not because, in your opinion, it is as high as the part can go is just sloppy.
This.

For example, I am personally not satisfied with my rig until I break 3.8GHz with it stable. I know I can do it, I can just feel it.

But even my rig 110% BONE STOCK, its more than enough for my needs other than GTA IV. Does that mean I leave it at stock? Hell no!
 
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Correction:
Your CPU is a bottleneck on ALL games released later than the K8 architecture, and even some that were in the same era.
That is not even close to true. It is the ratio of graphics card to cpu that you must consider.

You are telling me a 6600gt will not bottleneck a socket 939 at 3.0ghz on crysis? bioshock? assassin's creed?

RTS = cpu, FPS(first person shooter) = gpu.


Every cpu, gpu combination has a bottleneck balance, which brings me to the next post.

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A true overclocker will overclock everything to the absolute limits just because they are there. The limits, of course, will greatly depend on how crazy you are. (Pio's limits, for example, tend to be a fair bit higher than mine.) Stopping at an overclock simply because it is "good enough," and not because, in your opinion, it is as high as the part can go is just sloppy.

Exactly what I was mentioning earlier about benchmarking on all settings and not just defaults.

If you havent lowered your system to 10-20fps to test max temps on graphics cards and capabilities, then you truely dont know your system or what benchmarking is all about.

I have ran my cpu over 3.0ghz and graphics cards pretty decent overclocked. Just never ran them all at once on 3dmark06. I prefer sandra to test my system. 3dmark is just a better stability test in my opinion over pi or cpuz. Especially since im a gamer
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Running benches on higher settings, like you would game at, can obviously help determine whether or not your rig is going to be game stable. But that is not what benchmarking is about. It's about running things as high as possible.
--For example starting out 3dmark06 @ 4.5GHz, and on the fly reducing to 4.3GHz for the cpu tests so it doesn't crash, then back up to 4.5 or 4.6 for the canyon flight and arctic freeze.
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As far as I am concerned, 3DMark (06 or Vantage) is completely and utterly worthless. It is a biased benchmark that has poor resolution (nVidia >> ATi, Intel >> AMD, HD 4870s ~ HD 3850s) that cannot prove stability one bit. A rig passing 3DMark means nothing in terms of stability. I have had a card physically be bad. Every single game I tried crashed it, but 3DMark06 ran it fine. The GPU tests are not long enough, nor strenuous enough. Say what you will about it, I feel its use is severely limited at best, completely worthless at worst.

And since you brought it up, let me ask you this: what do you do if you cannot get your FPS down into the teens? As in, it is physically impossible. Every single setting is on its highest setting and you're still pushing at least 50? Do I lower my CPU then just to be sure my GPUs are struggling for all they are worth?
     
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As far as I am concerned, 3DMark (06 or Vantage) is completely and utterly worthless. It is a biased benchmark that has poor resolution (nVidia >> ATi, Intel >> AMD, HD 4870s ~ HD 3850s) that cannot prove stability one bit. A rig passing 3DMark means nothing in terms of stability. I have had a card physically be bad. Every single game I tried crashed it, but 3DMark06 ran it fine. The GPU tests are not long enough, nor strenuous enough. Say what you will about it, I feel its use is severely limited at best, completely worthless at worst.

And since you brought it up, let me ask you this: what do you do if you cannot get your FPS down into the teens? As in, it is physically impossible. Every single setting is on its highest setting and you're still pushing at least 50? Do I lower my CPU then just to be sure my GPUs are struggling for all they are worth?
First of all, no need to bash 3dmark06 so much. It's a great program and the standard when it comes to graphics testing.

I promise, many of these high cpu scores you see on this forum will NOT be stable on a 3dmark06 test. Which is exactly my point why my 2.8ghz has the best score so far.

Also, if you can't get below 50fps on a game, I think you need to buy some newer ones lol. I can name atleast 5 that would cripple your system to 5fps. Just saying.

Use programs like speedfan to tell how much your gpu is being used. That will give you an idea of where your bottleneck is.

Sometimes a game runs at 40-50fps. When I check speedfan, my gpu temps are low. So i turn up anti aliasing or texture detail, and get them to higher temps and similar fps.

Benchmarking is not about the highest speed's possible, its about testing your system. End story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchmarking
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OK well I was just trying to be nice about it. You benchmark for whatever reason you want.
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I am curious why your CPU is only "3DMark stable" at 2.8 GHz. Mine was stable fine at 3.0 GHz, but I did not care much to run 1.450 V 24/7.

Speedfan is no longer installed on my system. MSI Afterburner lets me see both temps and GPU usage realtime, so I find it more useful. Turning up the AA often increases the temperatures, but does not decrease the FPS. Could Metro2033 rip my system a new one? Sure. Do I care? Not in the least, not a game I would be interested in. Of the stuff I have, nothing gives me problems, except maybe for Crysis, but that has its own problems.
     
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The highest I could get the ES 3DMark06 stable was 3.168ghz... IDK what the problem is, I was trying to get 3.2 at LEAST, but it could never do it. I have always used 3dmark06 as a standardized, default test to check if an OC I adjusted is performing any better then before. I always went for personal bests. I used to keep my score in my rig, but Ive since switched my main, so my score is now my phII, 5870 rig... Decent I might add, but not insane for the hardware and OC...

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OK well I was just trying to be nice about it. You benchmark for whatever reason you want.
yes, I like this
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UPDATE: I am proud to announce that I was able to repair the Expert so that it works in DC mode again. Whoooohooooooo is what I said when she POSTed.

Being stupid I managed to cut 2 single traces right next to the cpu socket. I patched them up with a circuit writer conductive pen. I will add some pictures of the repair work later after I disassemble the rig for mounting in the chiller bench. I may have an Expert for sale soon at a reasonable price.......not the one I repaired though. That's a keeper.

Does anyone have an Expert.........can you set th vcore to 1.55v in BIOS and still POST? On both of my Experts, when I set vcore to 1.55 and special to 1.55 when I hit start it goes through the light sequence then flashes and does it again and again until I reset cmos. I can set any voltage I want by setting to 1.525 + %, but it just seems strange.

See the 2 little dots......not too bad for my 1st time eh? You can see some traces, I'm lucky I didn't cut 2 next to each other because it would have been very difficult to patch them seperately without the patch shorting them out. I'm going to try fixing that maimed Opty170 next, hopefully it's just a single trace too.



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