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not really what you think Blooder

it appears to be a trick to get older 939 boards to run with an SSD at full SSD speeds and Response times rather than running in IDE mode
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I want an SSD for my 939... mad.gif
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Great thread! I've been keeping my Opty 180's going as long as I can for 'home' uses. I've got three!

Here's some of my SSD/Nforce4/XP-W2003 experiences, fwiw:

I've been using one opty in a Tyan s2865/Opt180 with an older ssd (OCZ Vertex 32GB) without any problems for better than 2 years (24/7), running a small LAMP server with Ext4 FS that supports trim ('discard').

I had two of the Vertex, one of which had only had light use in an old laptop. So about 6 months ago, I moved the 'lightly used' vertex into the LAMP server and moved the more heavily used vertex into another Tyan s2865/Opt180 running Windows 2003 R2 server. CrystalDiskInfo showed '24%' of life left. It definitely ran faster than a standard drive but not great by any SSD standard (AS-SSD @170). The Nforce4 drivers would not recognize the drive correctly so I was using the standard ide drivers which worked fine and allowed wiper to run.

I'd been look around for an eventual replacement SSD for the W2003 machine and, in the meantime, trying out a few mSata chips in my new Lenovo w530. One of the chips I tried was an OCZ Nocti 120GB. I gave it a try because the mSata controller in the laptop was only Sata II. Unfortunately, it was a pretty dismal performer in the Laptop - AS-SSD scores 180 - 220. (I've settled on a Mushkin Atlas in the w530, BTW).

Anyway, I picked up a little enclosure adapter for the mSata and tried it out with the W2003 machine. Using the NForce4 drivers the AS-SSD scores are better than 270, which, in this realm seems pretty good to me. The OCZ toolbox even recognizes the drive although I doubt I'd actually try to update firmware with it.

I also tried a Samsung PM830 32GB mSata (with Adapter) chip which was quite a bit faster in the laptop but slower than the OCZ Nocti in the s2865 (faster sequential speeds but slower 4k).

The Nforce Sata and Raid driver seem to offer essentially the same performance for a single drive but aren't always compatible with the drive's firmware (as was the case with my Vertex @ 1.6, I haven't tried the 1.7 firmware) in which case you need to use the MS driver.

@Comp1demon: IMHO, your best bet would be to use the MS ide driver. I should probably also note that I didn't directly install w2003 on the Vertex - I cloned the partition and aligned the drive using gparted.
Edited by kayphoonstar - 3/7/13 at 3:04am
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for raid you need a pair of equal hdd or ssd
You most definitely do not. You can raid any size drives, you just lose space on the bigger one.
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Ok so this is what I did so far.

Someone said that a Add in card would not allow me to boot Win Xp on the 939 machine.
I took that advice and decided not to try it until last night.

I took the 120 GB OCZ vertex Plus+ and hooked it up to my win 7 pc.

use diskpar and set the offset to 1024K
Then I formatted the Drive in Win 7 using 4096K allocation unit size.

I then found the drivers for my highpoint rocket 620a PCIE 1x sata card and put them on a floppy.

I booted WIN XP (w/sp3) install CD.

Added the Drivers for the highpoint card and did my install as usual.

When it got the INSTALLING windows GUI screen (after the first reboot)
I did a Shift+F10 and typed in TASKMGR which shows the install in the task manager.
Right clicked the installation and set the priority to HIGH. (this gets win XP install MOVING ALONG FAST).

The machine when done install did reboot. My bios show the SSD as a Drive in mny Drive list and I made sure it was set to be the primary HDD
(I did this because I plugged in my other HDD's after the initial install and reboot - wanted to make sure my SSD was still the first drive)/

The first reboot into win XP after the full install was a bit long (35 seconds or so).
I then proceeded to let it find my HDD's that I plugged in and then started installing drivers for NIC, Video ect.. REBOOTED
That reboot was just as long.
Then I installed the AUDIO and downloaded the program clear/flush my prefetch folder and disabled win xp prefetch.
I also went into services and disabled a few such as security center, auto updates, indexing, ect...
I was prompted to reboot to take effect - so I did.
The boot was quick (only one line went across at the XP screen during bootup) and the machine went right into windows with a spit second welcome screen.
My next test was XBMC... Installed and tried a 1080P movie and it shuddered like heck. Upon exit it locked up the machine.
Rebooted back into windows which again was super fast (one line went by on the boot up screen before getting into windows.
Installed a few codec packs for video. Xbmc was a bit better after that.. but I found that Media player classic played BLU RAY 1080p with no issues.
SO began my stress test.
I loaded a bunch of processor intensive emulators. So far so good.
Since this is my arcade machine... MAMEWAH (a front end for MAME) is important to me.
All the other installs of XP constantly crashed or locked up (even though mamewah ran off a SATA Mechanical drive).
So far it has been running 12 or so hours rock sold.. no crashes.

Could I have done it? Did I get XP on a SSD on this machine working?
I hope so.. I will test for a few more days before I put the machine back in the Cabinet.


Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Comp1demon View Post

Ok so this is what I did so far. . .

. . . Could I have done it? Did I get XP on a SSD on this machine working?
I hope so.. I will test for a few more days before I put the machine back in the Cabinet.


Any thoughts?

That sounds awesome! thumb.gif

So are the drivers in AHCI mode? Is the drive being reported as SATA II? I'd love to hear what kind of numbers (AS-SSD) you're getting from using the HighPoint Rocket with your Vertex Plus.
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even the seek times?

Well, I'm not sure. Here's the AS SSD run. I used crystalmark (a similar benchmark) a while back when I had a modern motherboard. Everything looks similar except for the 4K reads ohno-smiley.gif
The SSD is an OCZ Agility 2 (sata 2) 128GB. What do you think about the access time?

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For reference, I'm using an Asus A8N-32 motherboard with an SSD and it works perfectly. Of course that motherboard doesn't support AHCI, so the SSD is in IDE mode, but the disk performance seems exactly the same as when I had it in AHCI on a new board.

That looks similar (but better) to what I was getting with the Vertex. Have you tried the Nforce4 driver? Or do they only recognize the Agility 2 as a Sata I drive?
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That sounds awesome! thumb.gif

So are the drivers in AHCI mode? Is the drive being reported as SATA II? I'd love to hear what kind of numbers (AS-SSD) you're getting from using the HighPoint Rocket with your Vertex Plus.

I am unsure... The Highpoint card support AHCI and there is no dashboard/settings menu to enter during post.
The quick flash shows this.


SO I exited my stress test after 15 hours. to take that pic that was the FIRST reboot after my 14 hour test.


The Second Reboot I filmed for speed and so you can see the post.


The Third Reboot I filed and is here but guess what it never made it to windows.. it locked up at the welcome screen, never seen that before.

Any ideas?



Pressed the reset button here is that reboot... made it to windows and has been running for a few hours now stress testing 3 emulators at once.

So far this reboot has been running great. Nothing in System log - no errors.


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For reference, I'm using an Asus A8N-32 motherboard with an SSD and it works perfectly. Of course that motherboard doesn't support AHCI, so the SSD is in IDE mode, but the disk performance seems exactly the same as when I had it in AHCI on a new board.
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That looks similar (but better) to what I was getting with the Vertex. Have you tried the Nforce4 driver? Or do they only recognize the Agility 2 as a Sata I drive?
I have a A8n I am going to play with.
What do you mean by IDE MODE? Are you using a IDE / SATA adapter for your SSD or are you using a Bios setting that reports the SATA ports as IDE?
Edited by Comp1demon - 3/6/13 at 8:53pm
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IDE Mode vs. ACHI mode. I don't think the "Nvata" driver in windows 2003 is officially an AHCI driver but it isn't the MS standard ide driver at least. You might see something like "Marvel AHCI controller" in windows device manager for your HighPoint device. Also, AS-SSD will show which driver is loaded, such as "pciide" or "Ahcix64", etc.
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