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So what do you guys even do with your 939's these days? I don't have mine anymore but a friend's brother still uses it to play DOTA 2 on haha.

I think I OC'd my 4400+ to 2.8GHz. That was before I knew anything about OCing. It never crashed and ran it like that for like 6 months but one day I was like huh, how hot does thi...HOLY CRAP HOW HAS THIS THING NOT MELTED OMG I ALMOST KILLED THIS POOR THING.
Edited by SpykeZ - 6/19/16 at 12:33pm
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So what do you guys even do with your 939's these days? I don't have mine anymore but a friend's brother still uses it to play DOTA 2 on haha.

I think I OC'd my 4400+ to 2.8GHz. That was before I knew anything about OCing. It never crashed and ran it like that for like 6 months but one day I was like huh, how hot does thi...HOLY CRAP HOW HAS THIS THING NOT MELTED OMG I ALMOST KILLED THIS POOR THING.

Well, i started back in 2006 with a 3000+, almost a year ago i snapped a FX-60 for 50 bucks (was still using 939 as main machine and used the FX-60 like half year more as main rig).
And now it's sitting here with a 8800GTX, no PSU and lots of backyard sale and eBay parts biggrin.gif
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Don't want to sound rude, but even if you did magic with a different type of RAM on a different type of platform/socket, that doesn't mean that you can "create" RAM modules that run at absurdly high speeds.

Also, about that DOOM thing and CPU usage, that doesn't have anything to do with reaching CL1 latencies on RAM or not.

EDIT: Oh well, i got ninja-edited about the DOOM stuff...
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But still, EDO RAM is different from DDR1. And also, you're very probably using that EDO RAM in a platform that is very different (compared to Socket 939).
In this case, it could be possible, but back in 2006-2007, they already tried to get to CL1, but they couldn't, they got to CL1.5 but it barely worked (at safe 24/7 voltages, also IIRC, those modules were 512MB, needed a DFI motherboard that allowed using up to 4V VDIMM and allowed selecting CL1.5 on the BIOS too and they were only running at DDR-400 speeds).

Maybe, as I said, if you could find a VERY GOOD overclocker stick of that GeIL ONE (the modules that did CL1.5) you may be able to reach CL1. But again AFAIK, you wouldn't be able to select CL1 at BIOS (and it's even more difficult on that motherboard that is not designed to overclock).
Not mentioning the high Voltages those modules needed to do only DDR-400 CL1.5-2-2-5 (2.75-2.95V), also, those modules did DDR-500 CL2-2-2-5 at 3.4-3.8V, now imagine how much voltage (if the modules don't die before even reaching that point) you would need to reach DDR-500 CL1-x-x-x! It would be, what, 4V? With 4V you would need Watercooling or even D-Ice to keep alive the modules (and obviusly a very good motherboard too, like the DFI Lanpartys that were the only ones that supported those GeIL ONE modules IIRC).

EDIT: Also, the overclockability depends alot on the memory modules, for example, TCCDs could reach high speeds (DDR-600) but needed high timings, but they could do very easily DDR-400 2-2-2-5 at 2.5V (heck, i've got a pair of Corsair XMS PRO TCCDs, 2x512MB sticks that can do that).

That's a lot of info.

I have already pointed out some of the specification of the DIMM I have here. ..Max voltage is 2.7,but I operate them at 2.65v as its not running at full speed.

HINT: I can do 215MHz with 2-2-2-5 timing with four DIMMs at 2.65v, but this is far from its top end speed and it can't do 250MHz, so you know its below 250MHz, but you also know it's set a new world record for a 1GB DIMM with 2-2-2-5 timing which was held by the corsair PC-4400 223MHz.

one of the world record held by my DIMMs is the voltage. It can hold a very tight timing at 2.65v only.

Lets skip all this, and do some benchmarks..name a free benchmark utility or I will use MAXMEM
Edited by delshay - 6/19/16 at 12:56pm
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Sample of my CL1.5 @ DDR500 on socket 939.

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Sample of my CL1.5 @ DDR500 on socket 939.

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Sample of my CL1.5 @ DDR500 on socket 939.


Well after all that, I was wrong I can't beat that, it's too fast. I am also air cooled on my FX-60.

I have never seen memory that fast with 1 GB stick with those timing, I have only seen it on 512MB stick, so I am not as fast and I do not set a world record.

nevertheless my four modules clock over 223Mhz easy with just 2.65v.. That's "4GB" of Ultra Fast Ram


EDIT: that says dual channel you are using 2x512MB of ram are you trying to cheat. show me 1024MB single channel mode at that speed..
Edited by delshay - 6/19/16 at 1:27pm
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Well after all that, I was wrong I can't beat that, it's too fast. I am also air cooled on my FX-60.

I have never seen memory that fast with 1 GB stick with those timing, I have only seen it on 512MB stick, so I am not as fast and I do not set a world record.

nevertheless my four modules clock over 223Mhz easy with just 2.65v.. That's "4GB" of Ultra Fast Ram


EDIT: that says dual channel you are using 2x512MB of ram are you trying to cheat. show me 1024MB single channel mode at that speed..

In socket 939, overclocking RAM using 1GB modules limits the overclock, it gets even more limited using all 4 slots populated and a low end motherboard (like your ASRock).
If there's some possibility of doing CL1 @ DDR-500 (or even DDR-400) on a 1GB stick it will need a better motherboard (and tons of cooling/voltage) for sure.

PD: I'm running air cooling on my FX-60 too (using 2x 92mm 5000RPM Deltas tho). As you need more FSB frecuency to get higher RAM clocks, just lower your multiplier, since it doesn't look a good idea to overclock an FX-60 on that board.
     
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Sample of my CL1.5 @ DDR500 on socket 939.


Wow! Nice sticks and chip. What sticks are those? GeIL Ones?
     
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Well after all that, I was wrong I can't beat that, it's too fast. I am also air cooled on my FX-60.

I have never seen memory that fast with 1 GB stick with those timing, I have only seen it on 512MB stick, so I am not as fast and I do not set a world record.

nevertheless my four modules clock over 223Mhz easy with just 2.65v.. That's "4GB" of Ultra Fast Ram


EDIT: that says dual channel you are using 2x512MB of ram are you trying to cheat. show me 1024MB single channel mode at that speed..

There was no cheat involved. I never said they were 1 gig sticks, mostly because there are no 1 gig sticks that will do CL 1.5 or less. CL 2 is as fast as 1 gig's get. If you'd like I can show you CL 2 at DDR500 or faster, but those are pretty common.

Now.....let's see your 1 gig sticks at CL1.5, even DDR400 will be fine.
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In socket 939, overclocking RAM using 1GB modules limits the overclock, it gets even more limited using all 4 slots populated and a low end motherboard (like your ASRock).
If there's some possibility of doing CL1 @ DDR-500 (or even DDR-400) on a 1GB stick it will need a better motherboard (and tons of cooling/voltage) for sure.

PD: I'm running air cooling on my FX-60 too (using 2x 92mm 5000RPM Deltas tho). As you need more FSB frecuency to get higher RAM clocks, just lower your multiplier, since it doesn't look a good idea to overclock an FX-60 on that board.
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In socket 939, overclocking RAM using 1GB modules limits the overclock, it gets even more limited using all 4 slots populated and a low end motherboard (like your ASRock).
If there's some possibility of doing CL1 @ DDR-500 (or even DDR-400) on a 1GB stick it will need a better motherboard (and tons of cooling/voltage) for sure.

PD: I'm running air cooling on my FX-60 too (using 2x 92mm 5000RPM Deltas tho). As you need more FSB frecuency to get higher RAM clocks, just lower your multiplier, since it doesn't look a good idea to overclock an FX-60 on that board.

Its not limited here. everything is fixed and working no issue whatsoever. Its ultra fast when I need the extra speed.

(you said: overclocking RAM using 1GB modules limits the overclock) WRONG no effect whatsoever & is totally rubbish works perfect here all the way up to max speed and I take back what I said in the early posting. I DO HOLD THE WORLD RECORD AS THE FASTEST 1GB DIMM IN THE WORLD THAT IS CAPABLE OF 2-2-2-5 timing, I have 4GB in total.

The only problem I have with this motherboard, it is limited to what GFX card that will fit after all cooling is fitted. That card is the R9 Nano which is clocked @1080 no throttling issue, which may also hold a world record.

FX-60 overclocks fine, higher than most users on air, but I only enable this if I am doing something more demanding.
Edited by delshay - 6/19/16 at 2:11pm
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