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Well, if you're still on that ASRock m-ATX board then you probably won't be able to overclock much... VRMs will get toasty with that FX-60.
Mine needed 1.52V set on BIOS and 1.568V reading from CPU-Z to be stable enough to boot to WinXP and make a validation. Probably could have got it with a bit lower VCore but it was more of a test than a real overclock to bench.

The Asrock was chosen for a special reason, this is why I did not go for the more established motherboards.

I joined this site in-order to see if it is possible to do 1-1-1-x timings on DDR.

I cannot find what I did, where I got a big jump in performance, but I now know what is needed.

I need a 939 motherboard "bios" (anyone will do) with the bios edited. "just the bios" nothing else and I will do the rest.


MEMORY SPD TIMINGS

does anyone know what is the lowest TRFC can be set to. You can find this information in the memory bios timing & checking how low it can go.

Big jump in performance? Probably setting Command Rate to 1T instead of 2T, that gives a nice boost in Socket 939.
Also what was the "special reason" to choose that Asrock motherboard? It's just a basic board, the only "special" thing it has is that it was the last one to be sold, since ASRock launched it years after Socket 939 "died" (and the fact that it has integrated eSATA, HDMI and a HD 4200 IGP).
Well, actually it has a AMD 785G + SB710 chipset, but i don't think that would make such a big difference...
     
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I've owned two FX-60s in my time, and neither could do 3ghz stable, even at 1.5+vCore. Also in my premature OC'ing days, but still. They couldn't do crap for me

Mine wasn't stable too, even at 1.568V. But was stable enough to get the CPU-Z Validation.
     
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I've owned two FX-60s in my time, and neither could do 3ghz stable, even at 1.5+vCore. Also in my premature OC'ing days, but still. They couldn't do crap for me

I have three other FX-60 and their can't do 2.9GHz. A good tell, tell sign if you got a good CPU is it will overclock fairly high, but with a lower than normal voltage, but this is also not guaranteed to do 3GHz.
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Big jump in performance? Probably setting Command Rate to 1T instead of 2T, that gives a nice boost in Socket 939.
Also what was the "special reason" to choose that Asrock motherboard? It's just a basic board, the only "special" thing it has is that it was the last one to be sold, since ASRock launched it years after Socket 939 "died" (and the fact that it has integrated eSATA, HDMI and a HD 4200 IGP).
Well, actually it has a AMD 785G + SB710 chipset, but i don't think that would make such a big difference...

It has nothing to do with the command rate, always set at 2T.

Sandra SI detected the memory at 1 clock cycle, but its not doing it now. It would lock-up after test was completed, but thing have improved here from the last test. I can also detect errors better now too.

The motherboard was chosen because, its not to big, (smaller), HDMI which you already pointed out, but also its the only 939 motherboard that has "sideband memory". This is rare for a 939 motherboard to have this.

Software detect sideband memory as DDR3, but this is more likely DDR2.
Edited by delshay - 7/21/16 at 4:52am
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It has nothing to do with the command rate, always set at 2T.

Sandra SI detected the memory at 1 clock cycle, but its not doing it now. It would lock-up after test was completed, but thing have improved here from the last test. I can also detect errors better now too.

The motherboard was chosen because, its not to big, (smaller), HDMI which you already pointed out, but also its the only 939 motherboard that has "sideband memory". This is rare for a 939 motherboard to have this.

Software detect sideband memory as DDR3, but this is more likely DDR2.

I'm pretty sure sideband memory was meant to be used as VRAM for the HD 4200 IGP. So that shouldn't affect performance (except obviusly higher IGP performance), not sure what type of memory did they use on that sideband memory, but it really shouldn't affect overclocking anyways.
In socket 939 you should try running 1T. It really boosts performance, but IIRC, it's impossible to run 1T when using all 4 slots. In order to run 1T you need to use only 2 memory modules (or 1).
     
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I'm pretty sure sideband memory was meant to be used as VRAM for the HD 4200 IGP. So that shouldn't affect performance (except obviusly higher IGP performance), not sure what type of memory did they use on that sideband memory, but it really shouldn't affect overclocking anyways.
In socket 939 you should try running 1T. It really boosts performance, but IIRC, it's impossible to run 1T when using all 4 slots. In order to run 1T you need to use only 2 memory modules (or 1).

Except with our 8GB and 16GB configs. 1T with 4 dimms is incredibly stable, BUT, probably the biggest bottleneck when trying to OC the RAM. Stock 200Mhz, rock solid, anything over 205, and it tapers off QUICKLY.
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I'm pretty sure sideband memory was meant to be used as VRAM for the HD 4200 IGP. So that shouldn't affect performance (except obviusly higher IGP performance), not sure what type of memory did they use on that sideband memory, but it really shouldn't affect overclocking anyways.
In socket 939 you should try running 1T. It really boosts performance, but IIRC, it's impossible to run 1T when using all 4 slots. In order to run 1T you need to use only 2 memory modules (or 1).

The loss of 1T,is not a real problem, as i can overclock to a level where i can claw back the losses. I post here that i can play latest DOOM on my system but i deleted that posting.

Doom plays smooth here with just 4GB of ram. The FPS display is very erratic, but does not effect game play, very smooth, no stuttering. (1080p all Ultra settings)

Doom Vulkan does not work here, i think there is still a few bugs in Doom. Vulkan SDK demo works ok.

4GB 2-2-2-5 @225 MHz with Enhanced Bandwidth. Could probably be the most aggressive timings ever, built into an DDR SPD, but this is not its top end speed.
Edited by delshay - 7/21/16 at 6:21am
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Can someone check what TRFC lowest settings are in the BIOS please?
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Except with our 8GB and 16GB configs. 1T with 4 dimms is incredibly stable, BUT, probably the biggest bottleneck when trying to OC the RAM. Stock 200Mhz, rock solid, anything over 205, and it tapers off QUICKLY.

8GB can be overclocked. someone has already got this to 234MHz, but I think it can go faster.

Remember this is @4K. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZuSsXt8plg
Edited by delshay - 7/21/16 at 6:22am
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8GB can be overclocked. someone has already got this to 234MHz, but I think it can go faster.

Remember this is @4K. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZuSsXt8plg

Sure man, anyone can get lucky on a decent running combo. In my experience, I cannot get stable past 210, BUT, Im at 1T. I think my timings are pretty loose too, 3-3-3-8. I don't worry much about the OC'ing properties of my machine, except the CPU, which is at 3ghz dead on. So I'm ok, just a HTPC.

I am still considering ways to use my 16Gb RAM to its full potential. This machine is going to find itself supporting a friend and I in audio / video projects here soon... smile.gif
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