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Originally Posted by SwishaMane View Post

So I just copied seaFs settings for my machine, and Prime95 failed before it started. BSOD actually. My gear isn't capable of CRAP. Im at 3ghz, but its not full load stable, part of it is my cooling I think. At stock everything, my temps under load are stil 60C. UGH! Cant wait for AM4 so i can turn my AM3 machine into my HTPC and retire this s939 gear as framed artwork for the wall...

I noticed something I didn't think of before.
Remember when I wrote down my settings for the 8GB CF-5 chips? I sayd: use DDR clock skew advance 150ps, but I didn't work for you.
No guess what, the best results with 16GB UCCC are with advance 150ps, although this is totally different memory, both in size and in manufacturing.
So, might this be a CPU-dependent memory setting?

First thing I did was to set the 4 standard timings and everything else was at auto. DDR clock skew set to normal, ECC disabled and then I ran Prime95 blend. That's how I found about the 768k test to be very responsive to errors. (Maybe it's another test for you PC.)

For what I can tell: The DIMMs do 3-3-3-8 just fine with the little 7% overclock (214.5MHz), no need to set anything to 4. Sub timings not touched, but stability is very sensitive to tRFC changes. (auto works best)
- DDR clock skew grants some stability improvememnts, start with this setting.

Look into Everest/Aida64 to check for the other timings that are set to auto. Try to set leave as many options at auto as possible when switching to manual mode in BIOS.
- The next things I changed were Read Preamble time and Asyc Latency. Both values have a big influence on stability.
Aida64 also reads out these values. The auto setting set it to 6.0ns and 9ns, but when setting it to the exact same values in BIOS, the machine doesn't even POST. In case you experience the same, start with 5.5ns and 7ns and work your way from there on. My final settings were 4.5ns and 6ns for 214.5MHz. With every new memory overclock both setings have to be changed.

- Third setting was Drive strength "normal/weak". "Weak" seems to be best, but for 220MHz "normal" was more stable.

- DDR Data Driving Strength: start with normal and work your way through the three settings. Some impact on stability.

So in the end six settings to reach my goal. And a full day for finding this out biggrin.gif
 
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I would like to resurrect my 939 gaming rig as a fun project, possibly give it to one of my family members, however I want to get the best skt 939 cpu I can get

Do you guys the 939 can handle todays games such as dota 2, csgo, diablo 3, etc. on high settings? combined with a 2gb or 4gb video card?

what is the best skt 939 cpu i can get?

any help would be appreciated

(look in my sig for the cpu model and motherboard)

Best at stock or overclocked? Single or dual core?
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Originally Posted by mattliston View Post

sounds like delshay believes simply adding higher capabale components is the ticket.



Delshay, if it was truly that simple we would regularly see insane OC'ing motherboards capable of pushing double the factory voltages with tons of capacitive support to clean up the rails. Especially if adding only 20-40 bucks worth of components


But we dont.


my Crosshair V Forumla Z that fully supports a 9590 in LN2 mode doesnt even have that cool of components. But go ahead.




Far better for motherboards is cleaning up all the voltage droops and peaks. properly calculated capacitance added will be the advantage here, especially on old hardware.

There a bit more to it than what you are saying here. I don't expect to hit the top of the leaderboard in overclocking because I am on air cooling.

Whatever I have done it is "an step forward", that CPU I could never get it to work even at 2.9GHz, look at where it is now.

But some of your points are valid. To get the best out of a FX-60 you need a efficient power supply. It's all about "efficiency" & "cooling" in the power phase.
Components have improved since the days of 939, there are much, much better today.


Take a look at the motherboard below around the CPU area, what has improved?
what is different that most 939 Motherboards do not have.
It's not a big game changer, but what area has been cleaned up?


Edited by delshay - 8/5/16 at 1:08am
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Originally Posted by Oj010 View Post

Just over 3 GHz at almost 1.6v is pretty damn bad, there's nothing special about it.

Wanna impress me? I'm at just under 4 GHz on S939, you're not. Beat that. Oh, and also 600 MHz 3-3-3-9 - it took me less than 30 minutes to achieve.

You're regurgitating results most of us beat so long ago that we've forgotten. Do something impressive for once, cause right now you're a kid playing with the hounds.

oh yes there is.

If you look at the screenshot carefully you can see the CPU is at 98/100% load. I don't remember seeing the CPU exceeding 70 or even 68c.

The heatsink is a "hack".

I need to make this clear. Voltage is set to the "max", what it is doing is checking that the heatsink can deal with the excessive heat. ..Its also checking that the air from CPU cooler is also cooling the VRM to an acceptable level. That's what it is doing.

The test was conducted with "no case fan" & southbridge fan (Cooler Master Blue Ice RT-UCL-L4U1 ) during testing is sometimes disabled.

I will not be going 4GHz, that's for sure. I don't want water,ect,ect whatever cooling.

Testing & more modification continues today, hopefully with improve results. Lots of work, early start.
Edited by delshay - 8/5/16 at 3:06am
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oh yes there is.

If you look at the screenshot carefully you can see the CPU is at 98/100% load. I don't remember seeing the CPU exceeding 70 or even 68c.

The heatsink is a "hack".

I need to make this clear. Voltage is set to the "max", what it is doing is checking that the heatsink can deal with the excessive heat. ..Its also checking that the air from CPU cooler is also cooling the VRM to an acceptable level. That's what it is doing.

The test was conducted with "no case fan" & southbridge fan (cooler master) during testing is sometimes disabled.

I will not be going 4GHz, that's for sure. I don't want water, vapour whatever cooling.

Testing & more modification continues today, hopefully with improve results. Lots of work, early start.

Wow, better cooling = a better overclock? We would never have guessed! NOW I understand why I started to use LN2 a decade ago.

Again, do something impressive that we can't or stop pretending you're doing something new and unknown.
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Originally Posted by xzamples View Post

I would like to resurrect my 939 gaming rig as a fun project, possibly give it to one of my family members, however I want to get the best skt 939 cpu I can get

Do you guys the 939 can handle todays games such as dota 2, csgo, diablo 3, etc. on high settings? combined with a 2gb or 4gb video card?

what is the best skt 939 cpu i can get?

any help would be appreciated

(look in my sig for the cpu model and motherboard)
The best for stock clocks would be or an FX-60 (unlocked for overclock, 2.6Ghz stock, 2MB L2 cache and dual-core) or, IIRC there was an Opteron 190 or something like that that was running @ 2.8Ghz (dual core too with 2MB L2 cache too, but locked).

I used to have my FX-60 for gaming 2 years ago, never played DOTA 2 nor CS:Go, but BF3 was a PITA (well, also keep in mind i was using an HD 7470, that's a HD 6450 overclocked, with a better card it may have been better).
LoL for example was playable @ 1080p min graphic settings @ about 30-50FPS (depending on things on-screen, etc.)

My guess is that if you get an dual-core 939 CPU and a decend videocard you should be able to play some of those games (not too sure about Diablo), but not @ 1080p Ultra. Maybe between 1080p low and 1080p medium settings.
Also, you'll need 4GB of RAM min.

Also, some pages back, a user posted some videos of him playing Crysis @ 4K with his FX-60 and an 780 Ti (IIRC). You may look at his youtube channel, since he had lots of videos on different hardware too.
     
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Originally Posted by gasparspeed View Post

The best for stock clocks would be or an FX-60 (unlocked for overclock, 2.6Ghz stock, 2MB L2 cache and dual-core) or, IIRC there was an Opteron 190 or something like that that was running @ 2.8Ghz (dual core too with 2MB L2 cache too, but locked).

I used to have my FX-60 for gaming 2 years ago, never played DOTA 2 nor CS:Go, but BF3 was a PITA (well, also keep in mind i was using an HD 7470, that's a HD 6450 overclocked, with a better card it may have been better).
LoL for example was playable @ 1080p min graphic settings @ about 30-50FPS (depending on things on-screen, etc.)

My guess is that if you get an dual-core 939 CPU and a decend videocard you should be able to play some of those games (not too sure about Diablo), but not @ 1080p Ultra. Maybe between 1080p low and 1080p medium settings.
Also, you'll need 4GB of RAM min.

Also, some pages back, a user posted some videos of him playing Crysis @ 4K with his FX-60 and an 780 Ti (IIRC). You may look at his youtube channel, since he had lots of videos on different hardware too.

That was me who posted that link. That was impressive 4K gaming.

I don't have a 4K monitor otherwise I would test at this screenmode. I can confirm DOOM plays smooth here with FX-60 on my set-up. (1080p Ultra settings). Because of the 4GB limit, not sure of this you may need a SSD drive, which I do have in my system.

What is the most demanding game(s) today on CPU? ..I want to see how FX-60 copes with more modern games with extreme stress on the CPU.
Edited by delshay - 8/5/16 at 2:04am
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That was me who posted that link. That was impressive 4K gaming.

I don't have a 4K monitor otherwise I would test at this screenmode. I can confirm DOOM plays smooth here with FX-60 on my set-up. (1080p Ultra settings)

What is the most demanding game(s) today on CPU? ..I want to see how FX-60 copes with more modern games with extreme stress on the CPU.

Probably one of the new Total War series games.
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Originally Posted by delshay View Post

That was me who posted that link. That was impressive 4K gaming.

I don't have a 4K monitor otherwise I would test at this screenmode. I can confirm DOOM plays smooth here with FX-60 on my set-up. (1080p Ultra settings)

What is the most demanding game(s) today on CPU? ..I want to see how FX-60 copes with more modern games with extreme stress on the CPU.

Any game CPU bound, CS:Go is, but if you want to really stress a Socket 939 CPU, try a 64 player Conquest (+ real-time destruction) BF4 game.
But you'll need at least 4GB of RAM and a beefy GPU. You'll probably hit that 4GB of RAM wall pretty soon too.
     
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You have to remember "VULKAN" is also here. I can't get it to work in DOOM like some other users, but from what I have seen before it locks-up it's very fast.
Vulkan also loaded DOOM much, much quicker too.

The problem seems to be with DOOM, as I can run the Vulkan demo in the SDK.
Edited by delshay - 8/5/16 at 2:39am
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