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I noticed something I didn't think of before.
Remember when I wrote down my settings for the 8GB CF-5 chips? I sayd: use DDR clock skew advance 150ps, but I didn't work for you.
No guess what, the best results with 16GB UCCC are with advance 150ps, although this is totally different memory, both in size and in manufacturing.
So, might this be a CPU-dependent memory setting?

First thing I did was to set the 4 standard timings and everything else was at auto. DDR clock skew set to normal, ECC disabled and then I ran Prime95 blend. That's how I found about the 768k test to be very responsive to errors. (Maybe it's another test for you PC.)

For what I can tell: The DIMMs do 3-3-3-8 just fine with the little 7% overclock (214.5MHz), no need to set anything to 4. Sub timings not touched, but stability is very sensitive to tRFC changes. (auto works best)
- DDR clock skew grants some stability improvememnts, start with this setting.

Look into Everest/Aida64 to check for the other timings that are set to auto. Try to set leave as many options at auto as possible when switching to manual mode in BIOS.
- The next things I changed were Read Preamble time and Asyc Latency. Both values have a big influence on stability.
Aida64 also reads out these values. The auto setting set it to 6.0ns and 9ns, but when setting it to the exact same values in BIOS, the machine doesn't even POST. In case you experience the same, start with 5.5ns and 7ns and work your way from there on. My final settings were 4.5ns and 6ns for 214.5MHz. With every new memory overclock both setings have to be changed.

- Third setting was Drive strength "normal/weak". "Weak" seems to be best, but for 220MHz "normal" was more stable.

- DDR Data Driving Strength: start with normal and work your way through the three settings. Some impact on stability.

So in the end six settings to reach my goal. And a full day for finding this out biggrin.gif

Will def look into this. Clock Skew for 8GB you recommended advanced 300ps, so will try 150. I need better cooling, and real TIM. I am out and my cooler is a hack job I barely found and slapped together for free. Need a dedicated s939 cooler. Kinda regret selling the w/c, but it was old and noisy.
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Will def look into this. Clock Skew for 8GB you recommended advanced 300ps, so will try 150. I need better cooling, and real TIM. I am out and my cooler is a hack job I barely found and slapped together for free. Need a dedicated s939 cooler. Kinda regret selling the w/c, but it was old and noisy.
Nowadays it's difficult finding a brand new cooler for S939 (at least in Spain). There's always used coolers that would fit, but finding a good (high-end) one it's pretty tricky.

I'm really looking to upgrade my cooling so if anyone knows any cooler (that can be bought new or just a model number) that is high-end(-ish) and can be found easily please tell me smile.gif
     
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Best at stock or overclocked? Single or dual core?

Dual core
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The best for stock clocks would be or an FX-60 (unlocked for overclock, 2.6Ghz stock, 2MB L2 cache and dual-core) or, IIRC there was an Opteron 190 or something like that that was running @ 2.8Ghz (dual core too with 2MB L2 cache too, but locked).

I used to have my FX-60 for gaming 2 years ago, never played DOTA 2 nor CS:Go, but BF3 was a PITA (well, also keep in mind i was using an HD 7470, that's a HD 6450 overclocked, with a better card it may have been better).
LoL for example was playable @ 1080p min graphic settings @ about 30-50FPS (depending on things on-screen, etc.)

My guess is that if you get an dual-core 939 CPU and a decend videocard you should be able to play some of those games (not too sure about Diablo), but not @ 1080p Ultra. Maybe between 1080p low and 1080p medium settings.
Also, you'll need 4GB of RAM min.

Also, some pages back, a user posted some videos of him playing Crysis @ 4K with his FX-60 and an 780 Ti (IIRC). You may look at his youtube channel, since he had lots of videos on different hardware too.

you're right, my best bet would be to get an fx-60, throw a good enough cooler on it and overclock it

or

i have an intel pentium e5200, and there are a lot of videos on youtube of people gaming on it, so i should probably do something with that

what do you guys think

fx-60 or e5200 for the project? what would work best for gaming
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Dual core
you're right, my best bet would be to get an fx-60, throw a good enough cooler on it and overclock it

or

i have an intel pentium e5200, and there are a lot of videos on youtube of people gaming on it, so i should probably do something with that

what do you guys think

fx-60 or e5200 for the project? what would work best for gaming

The pentium E5200 should be better, Core architecture destroyed AMD sadly, also you could probably get an E6600 for 10$ and that would be much better than an FX-60 (that was the upgrade i did from my FX-60 to an 3Ghz OCd E6600).

EDIT: Also, E6600 is super easy to overclock, FX-60 not that easy, FX-60s in general are poor overclockers, E6600 are excellent (and cheap!)
     
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So, since i need a new cooler AND thermal paste, cause I'm out, I've been doing some digging about what the best pastes are now-a-days... I'm seeing a LOT of pastes coming with little plastic spatulas / spreaders... I thought it was agreed YEARS ago that the pea dot method was the best. ??
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It was shown years ago that it doesn't matter at all. Just spread the TIM the way it is convenient for you.
If you just want to exchange TIM, you can do it quick and ugly, but in case you need to reseat the cooler more often, less TIM is better.I use a credit card to spread very few paste on the die, nothing on the heat sink
 
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So, since i need a new cooler AND thermal paste, cause I'm out, I've been doing some digging about what the best pastes are now-a-days... I'm seeing a LOT of pastes coming with little plastic spatulas / spreaders... I thought it was agreed YEARS ago that the pea dot method was the best. ??

It's supposed it is, i guess those spatulas are just an extra. I always use pea method and it works perfectly.
     
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It was shown years ago that it doesn't matter at all. Just spread the TIM the way it is convenient for you.
If you just want to exchange TIM, you can do it quick and ugly, but in case you need to reseat the cooler more often, less TIM is better.I use a credit card to spread very few paste on the die, nothing on the heat sink

Makes sense.

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It's supposed it is, i guess those spatulas are just an extra. I always use pea method and it works perfectly.

This is my method for non direct contact heatpipe coolers. I won't stress it then. Just curious.
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I always use pea method and it works perfectly.
Depends on the CPU. I spread everything.
Bare die CPU's should ALL be spread. Any missed coverage can create a hotspot that could damage your chip.
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