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and also i'm investigating if i can build a custom vrm for Winbond BH-5 ... I found this devil.gif
https://www.techpowerup.com/articles//overclocking/motherboard/125/2

I've done those mods a couple of times on that DFI board.
While they do work, it radically shortens the lifespan of the board. Out of the three I did, no boards lasted a year.
All boards were benched at least sub ambient though so I'm sure that didn't help.
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I resolved the stability problems changing the resistor of pin 9 (OVP) to 100K and also i applied some pencil on resistors CS1 / CS2 / CS3 to increase the OCP. No more sudden shutdown over 1.65V and I gained a couple of Mhz


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I've done those mods a couple of times on that DFI board.
While they do work, it radically shortens the lifespan of the board. Out of the three I did, no boards lasted a year.
All boards were benched at least sub ambient though so I'm sure that didn't help.

Yeah in my DFI i will never do something like that. Here in argentina are REALLY rare. I know one dude that bought all the NOS / Scrap stock from a distributor in argentina, he has like 50 - 60 DFI boards biggrin.gif
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My poor asrock is hitting a OVP hard tonight i will try to remove that limitation and also i'm investigating if i can build a custom vrm for Winbond BH-5 ... I found this devil.gif
https://www.techpowerup.com/articles//overclocking/motherboard/125/2

like an external VRM circuit board? what are the benefits? more stable power for OC?
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like an external VRM circuit board? what are the benefits? more stable power for OC?

More voltage ! Winbond bh5 needs lots of volts to reach 250mhz.
Most boards only reach 3.2 - 3.1v with mods because the source of the mosfet is connected to the 3.3v line. But the DFI nf4 for example uses a special vrm that is connected to the 5v line and can reach 4V.
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More voltage ! Winbond bh5 needs lots of volts to reach 250mhz.
Most boards only reach 3.2 - 3.1v with mods because the source of the mosfet is connected to the 3.3v line. But the DFI nf4 for example uses a special vrm that is connected to the 5v line and can reach 4V.

Yeah, pretty much all Winbond need more than 3.2V to run at their full potential.

My kit of Centon Advanced UTT likes 250MHz 2-2-2-5 1T @ 3.3V or 270MHz @ 3.6V. My Kingston CH-5 (JEDEC pcb) does 250MHz 2-2-2-5 1T @ 3.4V, starts negatively scaling past 3.4V.

These Centons are sweet. biggrin.gif Just have to have the right board to use them. They work great in both of my nF4 Ultra-D's but my SLI-DR Expert throws a fit if I don't use them in the orange slots and then they'll only do 240MHz @ 3.5V.

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Yeah, pretty much all Winbond need more than 3.2V to run at their full potential.

My kit of Centon Advanced UTT likes 250MHz 2-2-2-5 1T @ 3.3V or 270MHz @ 3.6V. My Kingston CH-5 (JEDEC pcb) does 250MHz 2-2-2-5 1T @ 3.4V, starts negatively scaling past 3.4V.

These Centons are sweet. biggrin.gif Just have to have the right board to use them. They work great in both of my nF4 Ultra-D's but my SLI-DR Expert throws a fit if I don't use them in the orange slots and then they'll only do 240MHz @ 3.5V.

WOW i never heard of Centons. Winbond are such a weird chip, how scales frequency without "relaxing" the timmings . I have a pair of OCZ GTX XT that does 250Mhz 2-2-2-5 1T with 3.3-3.4V i don't remember correctly. I found them in a old computer that i bought for u$d 10 and also come with a 865PE Neo2 Platinum biggrin.gif
TCCD are the total oposite my kit of OCZ Platinum does DDR 640 2.5-3-3-6-2T @ 2.7V if increase the voltage becomes unstable, the good thing that almost any good motherboard give you 2.7-2.8V
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WOW i never heard of Centons. Winbond are such a weird chip, how scales frequency without "relaxing" the timmings . I have a pair of OCZ GTX XT that does 250Mhz 2-2-2-5 1T with 3.3-3.4V i don't remember correctly. I found them in a old computer that i bought for u$d 10 and also come with a 865PE Neo2 Platinum biggrin.gif
TCCD are the total oposite my kit of OCZ Platinum does DDR 640 2.5-3-3-6-2T @ 2.7V if increase the voltage becomes unstable, the good thing that almost any good motherboard give you 2.7-2.8V

Basically all Centon Advanced is TCCD so to have them come with Winbond is very odd. I believe this kit didn't make it to retail.

I have a bunch of TCCD kicking around. If I remember correctly my best kit does 290MHz 2.5-3-3-5 1T @ 3.2V. Though what TCCD is really best at is sheer frequency, I was able to get a cpu-z valid at 405MHz (DDR 810) 3-6-6-15 2T @ 3.6V using one of my better sticks. https://valid.x86.fr/p3wlm5 (Don't try this at home btw, 3.6V can kill TCCD pretty quick) wink.gif
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I've hit DDR 600 before with a set of TCCD sticks http://www.overclock.net/t/1424095/ocn-socket-939-october-overclocking-competition/100#post_21001970 but didn't have to volt them up that high, normally 3.0 to 3.1 is all it takes for maxing a good set of these out.

I also made sure I had them running as cool as possible (Fan on them), this is important since TCCD sticks WILL degrade with such voltage being ran with them. These have suffered this effect to an extent but also know the PSU used then vs now is making a difference. DFI's are picky about the PSU used and that in itself can be a deal-breaker in what you get.
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Basically all Centon Advanced is TCCD so to have them come with Winbond is very odd. I believe this kit didn't make it to retail.

I have a bunch of TCCD kicking around. If I remember correctly my best kit does 290MHz 2.5-3-3-5 1T @ 3.2V. Though what TCCD is really best at is sheer frequency, I was able to get a cpu-z valid at 405MHz (DDR 810) 3-6-6-15 2T @ 3.6V using one of my better sticks. https://valid.x86.fr/p3wlm5 (Don't try this at home btw, 3.6V can kill TCCD pretty quick) wink.gif



Amazing ! thumbsupsmiley.png I take care of my TCCD rams because here are super super rare. DDR2 and DDR3 you can find good rams but DDR1 is really hard. The max i tried was 2.9V but with negative scaling. I heard that some TCCD batchs don't like high vdimm
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