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Have another quick question , does anyone know if my board can use pc4000 ddr500 memory , cant seem to find any reference anywhere addressing that , hate to pass a really great deal up on OCZ ddr500 2-1gb ........ thanx
    
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Have another quick question , does anyone know if my board can use pc4000 ddr500 memory , cant seem to find any reference anywhere addressing that , hate to pass a really great deal up on OCZ ddr500 2-1gb ........ thanx
Yes, your board can use DDR500 RAM.
    
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Great thanks Joe
    
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^ even if it didn't, you could just set it at pc3200 right? and then when you overclock it, it will go up to ~500mhz and you don't have to worry about loosening timings
but I'm not sure if the memory is backwards compatible like that.
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All DDR is 'backwards compatible'
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On K8s, the RAM Frequency is a ratio of the HTT Clock ("FSB") : RAM Divider/RAM Frequency Ratio. There are then two salient points we can glean from this: 1) K8 systems (indeed, all modern personal computer systems) are always running on a RAM divider (1:1 is still a valid ratio, after all); and 2) RAM speed is completely dependent on the reference clock (HTT Clock or FSB, on Intels or older systems).

Technically speaking, the only real compatibility issue you need to worry about when it comes to RAM has less to do with the frequency rating (DDR400; DDR500; etc.) and more to do with the pinouts/RAM type (DDR; DDR2; DDR3; etc.). If your system requires DDR, only 184-pin DDR will work on the board (the DIMM slot, and therefore the memory controller, dictates this). RAM frequency can always be altered to suit (i.e., overclocked or underclocked) in the BIOS through the use of the RAM Divider settings. Of course, if the system fails to POST, it will have everything to do with whether or not the RAM can run at the speed you're asking it to (especially if, through your settings, you're asking the DIMMs to run faster than they are capable).

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On K8s, the RAM Frequency is a ratio of the HTT Clock ("FSB") : RAM Divider/RAM Frequency Ratio. There are then two salient points we can glean from this: 1) K8 systems (indeed, all modern personal computer systems) are always running on a RAM divider (1:1 is still a valid ratio, after all); and 2) RAM speed is completely dependent on the reference clock (HTT Clock or FSB, on Intels or older systems).

Technically speaking, the only real compatibility issue you need to worry about when it comes to RAM has less to do with the frequency rating (DDR400; DDR500; etc.) and more to do with the pinouts/RAM type (DDR; DDR2; DDR3; etc.). If your system requires DDR, only 184-pin DDR will work on the board (the DIMM slot, and therefore the memory controller, dictates this). RAM frequency can always be altered to suit (i.e., overclocked or underclocked) in the BIOS through the use of the RAM Divider settings. Of course, if the system fails to POST, it will have everything to do with whether or not the RAM can run at the speed you're asking it to (especially if, through your settings, you're asking the DIMMs to run faster than they are capable).

Hope this helps!
some more please! I'm trying to get my RAM stable at DDR600. I am very close but I know I'll have to open the latency a bit more to get it stable. That with the HTT at 377 I'm hoping "and tell me if I'm wrong" to balance the bandwidth of the over all system.
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Well, one of the many claims I'm trying to test with my currently-postponed experiment is whether or not RAM dividers (or, more precisely, RAM divider settings for the same HTT Freq and the same CPU Freq) affect bandwidth or if they even translate to any perceptible real-world effects (i.e., effects a user can actually perceive). Once I get that ball rolling again, we ought to have some numbers to back up the claims/theories.

Personally, I'd like to see if "CPU Speed is King." Which basically means you get the most performance gains from increasing CPU Frequency, as opposed to trying to run the smallest RAM divider (and therefore, the highest RAM OC) possible.
    
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Well, one of the many claims I'm trying to test with my currently-postponed experiment is whether or not RAM dividers (or, more precisely, RAM divider settings for the same HTT Freq and the same CPU Freq) affect bandwidth or if they even translate to any perceptible real-world effects (i.e., effects a user can actually perceive). Once I get that ball rolling again, we ought to have some numbers to back up the claims/theories.

Personally, I'd like to see if "CPU Speed is King." Which basically means you get the most performance gains from increasing CPU Frequency, as opposed to trying to run the smallest RAM divider (and therefore, the highest RAM OC) possible.
I would say CPU is "king" only to a point. For example: F@H When I had my set to the following

HTT 334
Multiplier of 9
RAM at DDR532
HT of 3x

It would fold with no issues,but seemed to take a while longer than I wanted it to.

Now with my system to these settings

HTT 377
Multiplier of 8
RAM at DDR508
HT of 2x

F@H DOES fold faster. I would honestly say it folds 2 units of 500 for every 1 of the other settings. I can fold a 5000 point unit in half the time as well.

In short I do believe the increased bandwidth does help and is noticeable. Now as far as games all I have played is City of Heroes and that really doesn't require a beefy system to run. I'm going to install Company of Heroes and Crysis again and see what effect the increased bandwidth has "if any" on them.
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I have to say, your results are a little confusing. Example 1 is running at 3006. Example 2 is running at 3016. The second CPU is faster, by 0.33%, and the RAM is slower, by 4.51%. Not to mention that in the second instance, the hyper transport is 24.75% slower!

You just have me baffled, seriously.
     
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