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post #6931 of 28754
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Not necessarily. Time Warner uses regular cable lines. If you have fiber optic cable lines, then yes. If you have standard copper lines, then no.

DSL uses a phone line; analog by definition.

Verizon FiOS uses fiber optic lines, again, by definition.
I can testify to this, as there is a fiber junction box stuck to the side of my house. FTTH FTW.

I currently have 15Mbps Down, 2Mbps up. Starting Thursday (TOMORROW!) I have 20Mbps Down, 20Mbps up. My (and my friends') gameserver-in-progress is going to be on the same speed package. 4ms pings are a wonderful thing!
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I can testify to this, as there is a fiber junction box stuck to the side of my house. FTTH FTW.

I currently have 15Mbps Down, 2Mbps up. Starting Thursday (TOMORROW!) I have 20Mbps Down, 20Mbps up. My (and my friends') gameserver-in-progress is going to be on the same speed package. 4ms pings are a wonderful thing!
Xyro, what is the price your paying now for 15 down and 2 up? How about the 20 down and 20 up? Does your plan on a cap per Month?

Back on topic, can someone (mainly Blitz perhaps) explain why tRFC is so important between 6-8?
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tRFC is rarely, if ever, between 6 and 8. tRFC is usually supposed to be 2-4 greater than tRC, which in turn, is the sum of tRAS and tRP. As tRAS+tRP is rarely under 8, never mind 4, you would never expect to see a tRFC of 6-8.

As to its importance, no, I cannot. I never did any real bandwidth versus stability testing. I did notice that with failing memory, the rig would post at tRC=19/tRFC=22, but would not at anything tighter. According to the formulas, it should have been 8/12 respectively.
     
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tRFC is rarely, if ever, between 6 and 8. tRFC is usually supposed to be 2-4 greater than tRC, which in turn, is the sum of tRAS and tRP. As tRAS+tRP is rarely under 8, never mind 4, you would never expect to see a tRFC of 6-8.

As to its importance, no, I cannot. I never did any real bandwidth versus stability testing. I did notice that with failing memory, the rig would post at tRC=19/tRFC=22, but would not at anything tighter. According to the formulas, it should have been 8/12 respectively.
Blitz, so tRFC is suppose to be between 2 and 4. Which of the memory settings was in the 6 and 8 range? Perhaps I am getting my numbers mixed up here
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No, tRFC is supposed to be 2-4 GREATER than tRC.

Exempli gratia:

Suppose my memory was as follows:

tCL = 2
tRCD = 3
tRP = 3
tRAS = 6

We would expect my tRC to be 9 (tRP+tRAS) and my tRFC to be 11-13 (tRC+2, +3, or +4).
     
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No, tRFC is supposed to be 2-4 GREATER than tRC.

Exempli gratia:

Suppose my memory was as follows:

tCL = 2
tRCD = 3
tRP = 3
tRAS = 6

We would expect my tRC to be 9 (tRP+tRAS) and my tRFC to be 11-13 (tRC+2, +3, or +4).
Blitz, thank you for the explanation. Why does the tRFC have to be greater (2-4) then tRC? Sorry to be ignorant on this, I'm just curious
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If and when (as my tester system has been, um, testing my patience much whenever I've gone in and tried to play with it) I get time to get into the CFX3200's BIOS and get testing and overclocking with it again, I'll see what I can find out about tRFC. Blitz's statement about it being the sum of tRAS and tRP jives with what I've read as well, but in practice it's too tight a setting (for both DFIs I've played with). Its effects on bandwidth and stability are also unknown to me at his time, but is a temporary condition.

First things first, though: I need to restore the CFX3200 to a stable setting. I got too aggressive with some tweaking the other day, and the BIOS fell off the face of the earth! The board is now sans CMOS battery and with the CMOS Clear jumper out.
    
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To be perfectly honest, I do not know. I never purport to know WHY RAM timings are as they are. Perhaps, one day, I will email JEDEC and see what they have to say on the matter. I know that my Mushkins SPDed at 3-3-2-8-2T-11-17. Loosening the 11/17 to the mathematically-dictated 10/14 did increase bandwidth. I saw no difference in stability. When I tightened them down to 2-3-2-6, I lowered them to 8/12. They were S&M stable. Bandwidth was about 5700 MBps aysnc DDR 400.
     
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For the record, Frozen CPU is great.

I ordered my AM2, SI-128 retention bracket from them an hour after I placed my order with Newegg. Via post office, I received it 39 hours later. (The tracking number shows it as not yet shipped. Gotta love the USPS.)

My Newegg should be arriving tomorrow based on the tracking number.


Provided Xaser Brisfire goes together without a hitch, I might do some bandwidth testing at various RAM timings with the Sandy on the Gigabyte.

NO PROMISES HOWEVER.
     
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Xyro, what is the price your paying now for 15 down and 2 up? How about the 20 down and 20 up? Does your plan on a cap per Month?
If I remember right, it's ~$50/month currently. 20/20 home is ~$65/mo. The 20/20 business that we might have to get if Verizon complains, is $100/mo. That's also with a dedicated IP. None of the packages have a cap, or if they do, it's really damned high, as I'm quite sure I'd have hit it.

Right now, I'm content with using DynDNS, since with UT3, you can just connect directly through a domain name instead of an IP.
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