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Yeah, when I get home I'll try the x4 and 133. Before when i'd change the RAM from auto, sometimes it just wouldn't start at all, and I'd have to reset the CMOS. I'm getting ready to reformat and reinstall vista when I get home or tomorrow when I have time.

Also, just to educate me, if the RAM is running at 133 set manually, doesn't that mean the ram in actuality is running at ddr266? Wouldn't this decrease the performance?
Running your RAM at 133 DOES in fact mean it will be running at 266MHz. However that is at stock HT clock (200MHz). Since you are overclocking, when your HT clock (FSB) goes up...so does your RAM. So limiting it to 266MHz (133 divider)...that gives you a safe zone.

And yes, 4x HT Link is a great place to start. After you pass 250Mhz HT Clock (FSB), then you'll want to drop it to 3x for safety.

I've uploaded a quite handy tool for determining memory speeds given your HT Clock (FSB), memory divider options, and multipliers. It also will tell you what your expected overclock will come out to be . Hope its helpful...I know it was for me.
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No, it is not running DDR 266. It is a RAM divider. When you set it to 133, that means you are running at a 200:133 CPU:RAM ratio. Lets say you have set your FSB to 250. Your RAM would then be approximately 166, that is, DDR 333. How did I get that?

RAM_speed = FSB * RAM_r / CPU_r = 250 * 133 / 200 = 166.25 ~ DDR 333

Now, your RAM will not actually be 166 in most cases. With K8s, the RAM speed is not exactly what the BIOS sets it to be. Instead, it is an even divisor of your CPU speed. In your CPU's case, with your 10x multi, you will be running at 2500 MHz. Your RAM would either be running at CPU/14 or CPU/16, the latter being favored. That is, you will have your RAM at either DDR 357 or DDR 313. (2500 / 14 = 178.5 ~ DDR 357; 2500 / 16 = 156.3 ~ DDR 313)
     
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Hmmm, so in theory, if I set RAM to 133, and FSB to 266, it's at a 1:1 ratio? Also, when I've done this before, i think my bios will stop and tell me to lower the cpu frequency. So when I get home, I'll see what happens when I try 133 and fsb 250. I've put it on 250 and it ran pretty stable, but failed orthos before even reaching 3 minutes. But then again, dram settings were at auto.

Settings to change:
VCore: 1.4
DRAM Div.: 133Mhz
FSB: 240-250

And pioneer, I am going to download that when i get home. You said it should predict how high of an OC I should get with my system?
 
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No. If you set the RAM to 133 and the FSB to 266, RAM will be at 177.

Again: RAM_speed = FSB * RAM_r / CPU_r = 266 * 133 / 200 = 176.9 ~ DDR 354

The 1:1 ratio only exists when the RAM is set to "200."

The program will do the math I just did above for you.
     
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Hmmm, so in theory, if I set RAM to 133, and FSB to 266, it's at a 1:1 ratio? Also, when I've done this before, i think my bios will stop and tell me to lower the cpu frequency. So when I get home, I'll see what happens when I try 133 and fsb 250. I've put it on 250 and it ran pretty stable, but failed orthos before even reaching 3 minutes. But then again, dram settings were at auto.

Settings to change:
VCore: 1.4
DRAM Div.: 133Mhz
FSB: 240-250

And pioneer, I am going to download that when i get home. You said it should predict how high of an OC I should get with my system?
No that is not correct. A 1:1 ratio would be having your RAM set to 200. So if you went to 266MHz on the HT clock (FSB), that's what your RAM is at too (or DDR533). This is the EXACT reason why we use a RAM divider. MOST DDR1 RAM doesn't have the ability to reach the speeds that our processors can.

Those settings that you have listed there...all depend on your particular system. They may work, they may not. But they do look like they MAY help with stability . Another thing to try is limiting your RAM timings to 3-3-3-8-2T or similar...just to help eliminate RAM as being your suspect.

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Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
No. If you set the RAM to 133 and the FSB to 266, RAM will be at 177.

Again: RAM_speed = FSB * RAM_r / CPU_r = 266 * 133 / 200 = 176.9 ~ DDR 354

The 1:1 ratio only exists when the RAM is set to "200."

The program will do the math I just did above for you.
Just another example of my point . The 1:1 ratio is the exact same thing as the "divider" or 200MHz. And you typically don't want a Socket 939 to be on a 1:1 ratio unless you have GOOD RAM and a high multiplier to work with.
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Ahh ok, now I'm excited to get home and try this. So theoretically you guys think i could get 2.5 off setting my vcore up a tad and then settings ram to 133?

Also, since I've got the attention of you guys, I plan to keep this rig for a while longer now that I've revived it w/ a dual core (ty joe ). So you guys think I could get away with a hd 4850 or 9800gtx/gtx+ with a 1680x1050 screen? I know I asked you this joe, but I want to transfer my upcoming PSU and vid card from this rig (in maybe 6 months to a year) to the one I'll build.
 
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1680x1050 you can get away with a 3850. I know, I have done it myself.

A 48x0 will give you some growing room though.
     
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Ahh ok, now I'm excited to get home and try this. So theoretically you guys think i could get 2.5 off setting my vcore up a tad and then settings ram to 133?

Also, since I've got the attention of you guys, I plan to keep this rig for a while longer now that I've revived it w/ a dual core (ty joe ). So you guys think I could get away with a hd 4850 or 9800gtx/gtx+ with a 1680x1050 screen? I know I asked you this joe, but I want to transfer my upcoming PSU and vid card from this rig (in maybe 6 months to a year) to the one I'll build.
I can say WITHOUT A DOUBT that a HD4850 would definitely be a good upgrade and that your PSU will handle it fine. Take a look at my sig rig....I've ran a 4850 on it, and I noticed increases in 3Dmark going from my card to that 4850. So I say go for it.

But get that overclock sorted out first. The CPU will definitely bottleneck it to a degree until its got a decent overclock on it.
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I can say WITHOUT A DOUBT that a HD4850 would definitely be a good upgrade and that your PSU will handle it fine. Take a look at my sig rig....I've ran a 4850 on it, and I noticed increases in 3Dmark going from my card to that 4850. So I say go for it.

But get that overclock sorted out first. The CPU will definitely bottleneck it to a degree until its got a decent overclock on it.
oooo lol I didn't even notice you had the same PSU as me. Wow. It's only rated a combined 260 or 280 watts on both 12v rails (~23 amps), and that's fine? My only con about the psu is that it's loud. Also, what's the gn in the model number mean on yours?

EDIT: NVM I just saw it's because it's the green version. My only con is that it only has 2xsata connectors.
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