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post #7431 of 28665
lol that's for sure. Have to remember though. A lot of these "old" 939 rigs with Opterons are keeping up with AM2 systems. You can expect to pay $80-$150 for an Opteron right now.
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Try hitting up txtmstrjoe. If I remember right, he might have one last Opteron 170 kicking around.

As to motherboards GuardianOdin, DFI also makes insane AM2 boards. This board has more options than any motherboard I have ever had before it. Talking with Xyro, his MSI has far less tweakability.

Most AMD motherboards have 100-133-166-200. Some also add 150-250. Some also give you the half-dividers, 125-143-183-216, such as your DFI. Depending on the clocks, I hypothesize that some dividers will give you the same RAM speed. For example, I will look at GuardianOdin's current OC:

CPU = 354x8.5 = 3009
RAM = 200:143

RAM "Rated Speed":
143 * 354 / 200 = 253

RAM "Actual Speed":
3009 / 253 = 11.89 (ceil)= 12
3009 / 12 = 250.75 ~ 250.8 = DDR 501.6

Compare that to a 200:150 memory divider:

CPU = 354x8.5 = 3009
RAM = 200:150

RAM "Rated Speed":
150 * 354 / 200 = 266

RAM "Actual Speed":
3009 / 266 = 11.31 (ceil)= 12
3009 / 12 = 250.75 ~ 250.8 = DDR 501.6



So, at least for this particular setup, a 200:143 and 200:150 RAM divider should give the same RAM speed. I asked GuardianOdin if he would be so kind as to try it when he gets home from work.


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post #7433 of 28665
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Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
Try hitting up txtmstrjoe. If I remember right, he might have one last Opteron 170 kicking around.

As to motherboards GuardianOdin, DFI also makes insane AM2 boards. This board has more options than any motherboard I have ever had before it. Talking with Xyro, his MSI has far less tweakability.

Most AMD motherboards have 100-133-166-200. Some also add 150-250. Some also give you the half-dividers, 125-143-183-216, such as your DFI. Depending on the clocks, I hypothesize that some dividers will give you the same RAM speed. For example, I will look at GuardianOdin's current OC:

CPU = 354x8.5 = 3009
RAM = 200:143

RAM "Rated Speed":
143 * 354 / 200 = 253

RAM "Actual Speed":
3009 / 253 = 11.89 (ceil)= 12
3009 / 12 = 250.75 ~ 250.8 = DDR 501.6

Compare that to a 200:150 memory divider:

CPU = 354x8.5 = 3009
RAM = 200:150

RAM "Rated Speed":
150 * 354 / 200 = 266

RAM "Actual Speed":
3009 / 266 = 11.31 (ceil)= 12
3009 / 12 = 250.75 ~ 250.8 = DDR 501.6



So, at least for this particular setup, a 200:143 and 200:150 RAM divider should give the same RAM speed. I asked GuardianOdin if he would be so kind as to try it when he gets home from work.


*(Ceil)= denotes the ceiling function. Truncate off any decimal places and add 1 to the integer.
Tried and you are correct

I wrote the the RAM dividers while I was tinkering

8.5 Multiplier
100
120
133
140
166
180
200
216
250

8 or 9 Multiplier
100
120
133
150
166
180
200
233
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I thought you guys might find this interesting. Back in '05 ATi produced a reference board for Sapphire. It was a socket 939 board based on the Radeon XPRESS 200 chipset. Below is a pic of ATi's reference design:

Front



Back



Here is a pic of the board Sapphire produced based on the reference design:



Notice anything interesting......? Yup a white PCB

It's called the Sapphire PURE Innovation PI-A9RX480 and a review for it can be found at AnandTech. It was apparently a respectable performer.

Anyway I found it interesting because I never knew Sapphire produced motherborads. Then there's the white PCB, I've never seen one. I wonder how hard these boards are to find?
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Really darn would be the answer. Joe has been wanting to get his hands on a Pure with the 3200CFX chipset to play with it. I hear it OCs between a DFI and the Asus A8R32.
     
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post #7436 of 28665
I would consider buying another 939 mobo, but after this, I'm gonna show am2+ or (isn't there supposed to be a am3(?) board. I want to maybe try a phenom x3 or x4 .
 
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Wait on AM3. AM2 is really a lateral move from 939. My 5400+ BE at its 2.8 GHz stock is on-par with my 4400+ at 2.8 GHz. They bench identically. They game identically. Clock-for-clock, I would say they are the same. Granted, my AM2 can clock a bit higher, I would not say it is worth it.

Deneb will have two AM2+ processors released. The other 8 models are so will be AM3. I hear that AM3 is backwards compatible with AM2+, but to get the full performance from the chip (namely, its insanely fast HyperTransport) you will need to run AM3.
     
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Iceman, thank you for sharing that find. Love the white pcb

Choggs396, looking forward to your build!
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lol, I was reading the article on the Sapphire PURE Innovation PI-A9RX480 and noticed they only got the DFI Ultra-D to 318.....I know for a fact that will hit 340+

I had running my Opty at 2.9Ghz on an 8 multiplier which would be 362 on the FSB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
Wait on AM3. AM2 is really a lateral move from 939. My 5400+ BE at its 2.8 GHz stock is on-par with my 4400+ at 2.8 GHz. They bench identically. They game identically. Clock-for-clock, I would say they are the same. Granted, my AM2 can clock a bit higher, I would not say it is worth it.

Deneb will have two AM2+ processors released. The other 8 models are so will be AM3. I hear that AM3 is backwards compatible with AM2+, but to get the full performance from the chip (namely, its insanely fast HyperTransport) you will need to run AM3.
So basically my chip running at 2.5 is almost really the equivalent of the am2 5000+? When is the AM3 socket supposed to be released?
 
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