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The good thing about a driver update of any sort is if doesn't work quite as well as you thought or hoped, it's very easy to just roll back to the version you had before.

I guess thlnk3r and I are similar; I too am still running the 8.7s on my gaming rig in sig. Once I get things dialed in, I'm happy as a clam.

On a side note, I'll be away from my usual keyboard until sometime on Sunday; I'm at my parents' house as I type this. So, to anyone who may be expecting any communications from me, it's not that I've ignored you; it's just that I'm enjoying my nephews' company (they're both awesome! LOL), most likely, or getting reacquainted with my guitars.
    
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K Guys, I just had an idea, but what if I were to get a higher end card, like a 4870x2 or a gtx 280? I know the bottleneck will be ridiculous, but it won't cause it to necassarily perform bad will it? I noticed my PSU is actually recommended from ATI to run the 4870x2. But my question is, even though it's a better card than say the hd4870, it won't perform worse than an hd4870 would perform on my system would it?
 
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Yes it is.

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I know the bottleneck will be ridiculous
"Bottleneck" is a term made up by Intel folks when it comes to benchmarking. The only time I have noticed a "bottleneck" on any rig I had was when it came to 3DMark06. Will the CPU score be lower than in an Intel? Sure. Will it not get as high of overall as an Intel? Sure. Will it still game awesomely? YES! More often than not, the "bottleneck" is not the CPU, but the monitor. No matter how fast your rig is, you monitor can only output as fast as its refresh rate is no?

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But my question is, even though it's a better card than say the hd4870, it won't perform worse than an hd4870 would perform on my system would it?
A 4870x2 performs the same as 2 4870s in crossfire. Any game that does not support crossfire will be downscaled to a single core just as if you had the true crossfire solution. The only downsides of a 4870x2 over a 4870 are the price and temperature differentials. Make sure you double check the temperature of either when you install though; the boxed Catalyst does not spin the fan fast enough to keep the card cool. Supposedly, this was fixed in CCC 8.9 according to the release notes.

I am on the other side of the fence from Joe and Thlnk3r. As soon as there is a new driver, I update. CCC comes out monthly. Sure, most of the bug fixes do not affect the games I play, but many times CCC comes with card optimizations that permit it to do the same amount of work with less core utilization. Or permit it to fold slightly faster. (Something that must be done about the 4870s; they fold terribly.)
     
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My parents' system runs an Opteron 146, 6600GT, 1GB Corsair VS on an Abit KN8 motherboard.
My computer runs an Opteron 165, 6800GS, 2GB Patriot on an Abit KN8 Ultra.
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If you want in RallyMaster, all we need is a CPU-Z validation of some flavor. I hope to add you to our ranks soon!
     
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Yes it is.



"Bottleneck" is a term made up by Intel folks when it comes to benchmarking. The only time I have noticed a "bottleneck" on any rig I had was when it came to 3DMark06. Will the CPU score be lower than in an Intel? Sure. Will it not get as high of overall as an Intel? Sure. Will it still game awesomely? YES! More often than not, the "bottleneck" is not the CPU, but the monitor. No matter how fast your rig is, you monitor can only output as fast as its refresh rate is no?



A 4870x2 performs the same as 2 4870s in crossfire. Any game that does not support crossfire will be downscaled to a single core just as if you had the true crossfire solution. The only downsides of a 4870x2 over a 4870 are the price and temperature differentials. Make sure you double check the temperature of either when you install though; the boxed Catalyst does not spin the fan fast enough to keep the card cool. Supposedly, this was fixed in CCC 8.9 according to the release notes.

I am on the other side of the fence from Joe and Thlnk3r. As soon as there is a new driver, I update. CCC comes out monthly. Sure, most of the bug fixes do not affect the games I play, but many times CCC comes with card optimizations that permit it to do the same amount of work with less core utilization. Or permit it to fold slightly faster. (Something that must be done about the 4870s; they fold terribly.)
Yeah, I was thinking more about just going ahead and getting a 4870 and then when I upgrade (even if it's a year from now) I'll still have a pretty decent card and will most likely be able to play all the games that come out in 2009. Also as far as the monitor bottleneck, you think I should bump up to a 24"? I'm still thinking about going for 20 or 22.
 
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Size matters not. There is a set refresh rate for each resolution. Some monitors differ a little, but not much. Generally, 1920x1200 is 60 Hz, 1680x1050 is 60 Hz, 1440x900 is 75 Hz, 1280x800 is 75 Hz, et cetera. Your mileage may vary.
Hmm. Yeah, I was wondering this as the 4870's are ~$270 and the 22" acer I saw was only $200, so it stands in a good position .

I kinda want to do 8800gt's in SLI. It's close to the same performance, and also cheaper. Good thing about that is I could buy one soon, and get another for X-mas. I like the SLI thing, just to say I have it . Also, the games I play mainly, benefit from xfire and sli (cod4 and css). And most of the newer games are all making that pretty much a standard option now.
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I know you consider me biased, but whatever.

I have to say that the image quality of ATI is superior to that of nVidia. True, nVidia gets more FPS in almost any game but ATI's picture "comes to life." All the nVidia cards I have used (7800 GS, Quadro NVS 110m, 7800 GTX, 8800 GT 512 MB SLI) all seem flat compared to the ATI counterparts (Radeon x1600, Radeon IGP 320m, Radeon x1950xge, HD 3850 respectively). If you do not believe me, feel free to ask others.

In my opinion, it will matter what you are doing with the cards. If all you ever do is play games on them, then nVidia may be the way to go. But if you intend to watch your movies, once you see Avivo in use, you'll never want an nVidia again.
     
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In a way, I want to get something nice, but I think I'm itchy when it comes to spending as I was looking at the HD3870's. I also can't find anywhere what the difference b/w the gddr3 and gdd4 version is (performance wise).
 
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