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The differences between the 3870 GDDR3 and 3870 GDDR4 are minute. To give a quick bulleted list:
  • GDDR4 has a lightly higher bandwidth
  • GDDR4 uses less voltage, thus, less power
  • GDDR4 tends to run cooler
  • GDDR4 tends to overclock more
  • GDDR4 costs more
Real-world performance differences equate to less than an FPS difference at stock, up to 3 FPS overclocked. Benchmarking will be obvious between the two, but we all know how worthwhile benchmarks are.
     
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Hmmm, if I were to skip out on the 4850 and higher this round, what card would you suggest for me depending on the games I play (cod4 and css and maybe a few newer ones)? I'm not brand biased, but aside from the video quality, what would you suggest?
 
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Like Blitz (who thinks I'm ignoring him, hahahaha), my eyes can tell if it's an nVidia-generated image on my monitor compared to an ATi-generated image. I prefer ATi's superior color vibrancy and overall aesthetic quality.

With the power these modern GPUs are able to churn out, FPS comes in more massive quantities than can be appreciated in the games I prefer to play. Beyond a certain point, FPS becomes just a number to throw around, because your eyes can't tell the difference (mine can't). But I believe your eyes can tell the difference in colors, and then you make a decision as to whether or not it's better for you.

I guess I'm lucky, because I've been able to test and evaluate different cards from both ATi and nVidia. I would never be so bold as to express these opinions without having a first-hand experience with them (unlike some on OCN; regurgitation is not a skill). Like I said sometime ago regarding monitors, at the end of the day two things will determine what decision you make: 1) Your willingness and ability to spend, and 2) your own senses. No matter what anybody else might say, at the end of the day your own senses (and your own wallet) will show you which choice is best for you.

If you can't trust your own senses, why should you trust someone else's, no?
    
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I know you consider me biased, but whatever.

I have to say that the image quality of ATI is superior to that of nVidia. True, nVidia gets more FPS in almost any game but ATI's picture "comes to life." All the nVidia cards I have used (7800 GS, Quadro NVS 110m, 7800 GTX, 8800 GT 512 MB SLI) all seem flat compared to the ATI counterparts (Radeon x1600, Radeon IGP 320m, Radeon x1950xge, HD 3850 respectively). If you do not believe me, feel free to ask others.

In my opinion, it will matter what you are doing with the cards. If all you ever do is play games on them, then nVidia may be the way to go. But if you intend to watch your movies, once you see Avivo in use, you'll never want an nVidia again.
very true. I'll be switching to ATI when I get my Illustration setup complete. Most likely 4870x2 in Crossfire. Not for gaming really, but more for 3D modeling. I could also go for 4870 in Crossfire with a mass amount of RAM to get the same effect.
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For 3D modeling, is not a Quadro more appropriate?
     
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For 3D modeling, is not a Quadro more appropriate?
with cards today the choice is more preference. Plus most of my work is 2D Illustration. The better the image quality the happier the clients.
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Ok, so I got the ati card installed and everything. The bandwidth on this thing is like 31.5 and the 8600gt (even though newer) is only like 25gb/s at most. I also noticed that the ATI card doesn't get as high (maybe 10fps less) but it doesn't drop as low as the 8600gt either. Is this because of the bandwidth? I'm seriously thinking about just selling the 8600gt until I get a really good card.

EDIT: Ahh, nvm it was the server that was just a better server. I'm really heading towards the idea of a 3870 or 8800gt.

EDIT2: Roar, I don't want to make another post, so I think I've made a decision on an HD3870, but not sure which version I should go with, the gddr3 or gddr4? I mean, the gddr3 is $100 and the gddr4 is 130, so I don't think the price is justifiable, and from the charts on tom's hardware, it seems I'll be able to use my current settings in games and get at least the same or more fps that I get now in them.
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I would say the difference is not worth $30. On the other hand, given my recent gaming experiences, I would say get the fastest GPU you can afford; do not try overclocking a cheaper one. My 3850s were $80 per, and they are stuck at "stock" clocks. (They are 725/900 from the factory; "reference" is 668/829.)

If you can afford a 4850, I would suggest doing so. Every review I have seen of it says that 1 4850 can easily give a pair of 3850s a run for their money. They are as cheap as $140 after MIR if you want non-name brand. Name brand will set you back $10 more. There really is no reason to get a 3870 when for $10-20 more you can get a 4850.
     
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I also can't find anywhere what the difference b/w the gddr3 and gdd4 version is (performance wise).
Blitz, thanks for clarifying. To add to his reponse Pez, GDDR4 is more expensive because it's only manufactured by Hynix and Samsung. The only major improvement from GDDR3 to GDDR4 was the prefectch scheme from 4 bits to 8 bits. You can read more about that by going here: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/fea...on_gddr_memory.

In regards to the bottleneck question, check out this interesting article on OCN: http://www.overclock.net/graphics-ca...rned-stop.html

Good luck Pez
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