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Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
Pez does have an interesting point Murderous Moppet. Why are you running your RAM faster than your HTT? Perhaps drop the RAM to 1:1 (likely 200 MHz in your BIOS). This will give you RAM that is only DDR 480. If you can then get the HTT up to 250, you'll be running 2500 with your RAM 1:1, a tasty proposition indeed. If you want to compare the two, get your hands on Everest Ultimate. (30-day trialware.) Compare your memory bandwidth at 533 Async with 500 Sync. Ninety-nine times out of one hundred the latter will have better bandwidth and lower latency.
I tried to do just that, however my processor refuses to run at 2500MHz. I can push the HTT up higher, lowering the multi to 9x, but the chip itself refuses to go to 2500. I didn't think it would be worth running the multi at 9x, with the chip sitting at 2250, just for a 1:1 on my RAM. I'll set my multi at 9x and see how high I can get my HTT, then look at my options for RAM and the cpu multiplier.
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As long as the core voltage is not up around 1.600 V or so, you should be okay on a damage standpoint. On a stability standpoint, a wide voltage swing may cause issues. Sure, the computer might happily run at 2.8 GHz at 1.400 V, but what happens when the voltage drops to 1.260 V?

If you want to do your overclock properly, something I have never done, this is how you do it:

1) Reduce CPU multiplier to 5x, reduce HT Link to 2x, reduce RAM to 200:100
2) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
3) Run Orthos 30 minutes
4) If it passes, go to step 2; if it fails go to step 5
5) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried and write that number down as "Max HTT"
6) Return HTT to 200, increase memory to 200:200 (or in your case, 200:166)
7) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
8) Run Orthos 30 minutes
9) If it passes, go to step 7; if it fails go to step 10
10) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried and write it down as "Max RAM"*
11) Return the HTT to 200 and the RAM to 200:100, then set the CPU multiplier to its maximum (in your case, 10x)
12) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
13) Run Orthos 30 minutes
14) If it passes, go to step 12; if it fails go to step 14
15) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried, multiply it by the multiplier in step 11, and write it down as "Max CPU"
OPTIONAL:
16) Return the HTT to 200 and the CPU multiplier to 5x, change the HT Link to 5x
17) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
18) Run Orthos 30 minutes
19) If it passes, go to step 16; if it fails go to step 20
20) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried, multiply it by 5, and write it down as "Max HyperTransport"



Now we know your maximum CPU speed, maximum RAM speed, and maximum HTT. There are a few programs available where you can input these three numbers and they will suggest the best course of action for you. You can also do this manually attempting to maximize the CPU speed and RAM speed knowing the limitations of your HTT. If you did the optional step, you may be inclined to try maximizing your HyperTransport (that is, preferentially keeping the CPU and/or RAM speed slower to ensure that HyperTransport is about 1000 MHz).

You will have links to said programs from someone else soon**. I always just played it by ear. Instead of worrying about the RAM speed, I worried about the RAM bandwidth. To test the RAM bandwidth, you will need a program like Everest Ultimate.

*Maximum RAM for those timings and voltage. Loosening timings tends to increase this value. Tightening timings tends to decrease this value. Increasing voltage tends to increase this value. Decreasing voltages tends to decrease this value. The effects are inelastically additive. A similar argument exists for CPU Voltage, which if your Via K8T is like mine was, is nonadjustable in your case.

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Ok, I just finished the first test. I want to ask something about Orthos though...
Which test am I supposed to run? I ran the "Blend - stress CPU and RAM" just now 'cause I didn't know what else to choose.

About the CPU Voltage, I do have an option to change it in my BIOS, but I have never tried to do so though, so I'm not sure if it works.
 
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When testing the CPU max speed, run Small FFTs at priority 9. For all others, run Blend at priority 10.

Regards CPU voltage: use it only as a last resort. Try to do as best you can at stock voltage. Only when you hit a low wall (that is, your CPU is clearly the weakest link) should you consider increasing it.
     
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Which test you run on Orthos depends on what stage of the overclocking you're doing. (I have to say right now that I prefer the "divide and conquer" approach to overclocking; I like to isolate the various sub-systems -- motherboard/chipset, CPU, and RAM -- and try to find their separate respective maximum overclock potential, then consolidate the OC later, but this is an approach some might decry as too slow and laborious.)

To wit, when testing just your CPU, I run the "Small FFTs" test. Of the tests available in Orthos, this stresses the CPU the most (and generates the greatest thermal output also). Once you involve RAM, you run the Blend Test (some say Large FFTs works as well, but I prefer Blend as I think this is more strenuous).

As far as test length and priority settings are concerned, I recommend running at Priority 8 at the very least; this will enable the program to use more of your system's resources as it runs. This has the add-on effect of finding any weaknesses in your overclock/settings quicker. Opinions on test length vary, but I prescribe a minimum of 12 hours at Priority 8. One thing is for sure: A 12 hour test at Priority 8 is more stressful than a 24 hour test at Priority 1.

Finally, as far as voltages go, whatever is the minimum you can run with is best. There is an optimum level for every setup, but you have to test for it. Too much is not better than just enough.

Good luck, and hope this helps.

(See? Blitz thinks like I do, for the most part. )
    
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HothBase, just one word of caution: Please do ensure that the PCI Frequency stays locked at 33.33. I had a bad experience with a VIA K8T890 motherboard (ASUS A8V-E SE) which did not have a PCI Frequency lock on it. The OS got severely damaged once I had my HTT Clock up to above 220MHz.

I'm pretty sure that your motherboard/BIOS (you do have the Deluxe version of the board, which is a good thing) does support PCI Frequency locking, but it's something that's worth double-checking.
Is there any way to monitor the PCI/AGP frequency in Windows to make sure the lock is doing it's job? I like being on the safe side, my 939 means alot to me
 
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. I've been running the blend at priority 1 the whole time. Does this mean I'm not really stable? I've never seen a crash, even after about ~5 straight hours of gaming.
 
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None that I know about, sorry HothBase. I am curious if you are happy with your x1950 GT. If not, I know a guy selling an HD 3850 AGP 512 MB for a reasonable price.

Pez: Stable is a subjective term. Some, like Pioneerisloud, call stable 24 hours of Orthos blend priority 9. Some, like Txtmstrjoe, call stable a computer that is not on. Some, like myself, call stable a computer that can pass S&M and does not ever blue screen. (The two are not usually identical; the former can occur slightly higher.) Some, who shall remain nameless, call stable a computer that crashes on them not more than thrice daily.

At the end of the day, stable will come down to what makes you happy. Do you want a computer that will crash once a day? Do you want a slower computer that you can leave folding 24x7 without worrying if it will be a blue screen when you get back? Only you can tell.
     
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I'm presently researching whether or not either Everest Ultimate or SiSoft SANDRA reports PCI Frequency in Windows; for sure I'll know when I get back home. I do know that ClockGen does report PCI Frequency, if you can find the correct associated files for your chipset (which is possible for the VIA K8T800), but it's presently not available for download for some reason.

By the way, I do not recommend ever using ClockGen (or any OS-active software) to OC your machine. The risk of OS and file corruption is too great.

Blitz, good commentary on stability.
    
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I'm just not sure whether to trust my lock or not.

Here is something I found on the K8T800Pro PCI/AGP lock:
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VIA themselves acknowledge that there is a problem with the AGP/PCI lock feature on the K8T800 PRO chipset...
anandtech(link to source)
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Originally Posted by www.anandtech.com
It appears from the information we have right now that the VIA PCI/AGP lock is not a reliable or consistent feature on the K8T800 PRO chipset.
anandtech(link to source)
I am currently trying to dig up more info on this matter to see if my motherboard has this problem. People say it is working on some models.

Thanks for the offer, blitz, but I don't have money to spend right now and I am indeed satisfied with what I have
 
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