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Originally Posted by TestECull View Post
Domino: Adjust Mem Clock At Next Boot. That's the divider. Smaller the mhz, the more it will divide. That is the ram clock it wants to run if the FSB was at stock speeds.



Bad news guys...my chip's starting to electromigrate. : I reset it to stock before I did kill it, but it just wasn't stable anymore. I still get the odd physics error or two(Mainly in Rigs of Rods) but atleast it's stable at stock still. : I noticed instabilities when I was playing RoR and vehicles that didn't explode normally were turning TnT, and then in Gmod some ragdolls had textures attached at the wrong spot...and Gmod was a bit crashhappy. :
But i don't want to lower it anymore, anywhere to make it so that every time i overclock the fsb by 4mhz the ram only goes up by 1? make a 4:1 ratio?

and what is this 16up 16 down or 8up 16down thingy?
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whoa wait a minute, testecull, whats happening to your cpu? holy crap
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anyone know how a 180 does for overclocking and competing with the more modern chips?
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I had my Vcore at 1.65V, where stock is 1.4, and the core was starting to degrade. I reset it to stock before I completely killed it...


the 16^ 16V thing is the lanes of the HTT. Leave at 16/16.
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Any idea why my memory divider changed from 14 to 17?

It's still set at 166MHz in the bios, hmm.
Yes, I have an idea. Athlon64 processors have an internal memory controller. When you enter a RAM divider, it does not simply divide RAM as it would in an Intel CPU. I have explained this thoroughly in my blog entry, but the long and short of it, as you change total CPU speed, you also change the divisor of the RAM. (Where divisor and divider are different. Divider means the number you set in the BIOS, such as 166 MHz, whereas divisor would be the number that CPU-Z reports, such as 14.)

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Darn tasty RAMDAC. I think I can safely say we are all jealous of your rig.

At those settings (235/133) your computer is likely running 2350 MHz with DDR 294. That RAM is a little slow I think. Perhaps you can lower your CPU's multiplier from the stock 10 to permit you to get the RAM faster? (I take it you dropped it that low because 166 was too fast for the given bus speed.)

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But i don't want to lower it anymore, anywhere to make it so that every time i overclock the fsb by 4mhz the ram only goes up by 1? make a 4:1 ratio?

and what is this 16up 16 down or 8up 16down thingy?
There is no way to explicitly lock that on an AMD CPU. Because of the way RAM speeds are computed, an exact 4:1 ratio would be impossible to hold. For that matter, I think it would be impossible to do an Intel rig either, because I cannot think of a reason why they would want to put a DDR 100 divider. (200:50.) As I have said, you do not need to leave your CPU's multiplier at 10x; if the math works better, you might be better served with 9x or 8x. Experimentation is the key.

As to the 16/16, as TestECull has said, 8/8 and 16/16 have little difference on stability but a huge difference on performance. Keep it at 16-bit. (Some chipsets, my nF3 for example, lack this feature completely.)

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whoa wait a minute, testecull, whats happening to your cpu? holy crap
Electron migration. Essentially, the voltage, or potential difference across the CPU, ran at such a high level for such a long time, the electrons of the silicon are rearranging to cause minor short circuits. This causes the CPU to become unstable. Reducing it to stock voltage and speeds can slow the advance of this, but it is often fatal. Keeping the CPU cool at all times will help prevent this, as would lowering voltage. This is why you see the "rule" of 1.50-1.55 V on air, 1.55-1.60 V on water, and anything higher should be on TEC or phase change.
     
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Ok guys, sorry I've been away...I'm still working on some rig troubles here.

But seriously....HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? And it was Windows, FireFox, CPUz stable (not Orthos). I tried running Orthos and it just hard shut down my rig. I am still assuming motherboard limitation.


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Thanks a lot for the info!

I've found an old Dell machine here that has been having some problems. Found out that the ram in it was PC3200, and whoa, put that ram in here. Though the timings were different and and I think it screwed a few things over (ex. MSN pop-up news thingy, and my Razer Mouse Drivers), but got those fixed up decently. Can ram actually do that if 2 different types are thrown in?

I'll try the mulitplyer and change it down to 8x, would a higher FSB hurt this PC too much though?
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There is no risk of damage of running a computer with two different types of RAM. However, make sure you run them for the settings of the weaker RAM DIMMs. That is, if two are PC 3200, 2-3-3-6, and two are PC 2700, 2-2-2-5, you would need to run them at DDR 333, 2-3-3-6. If both are PC 3200, only latencies factor in. Expect to get a lower overall overclock. If you had Windows Vista, I would tell you take the 2 GB in a heartbeat. With XP, you might be better served with the faster speeds.

As to the higher FSB: it should not "hurt the PC too much." There is a chance it will need more NB voltage, but it might not. I would try the 9x first and see what it can do. If you want help with the numbers before testing a run, let me know, and I will hook you up.
     
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Well, I tried them out on a bunch of numbers and overall, the best performance I can get that runs stable is 2.2GHz with 186MHz ram.
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What testing have you done to determine that this is the best speed? What numbers have you tested out?
     
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Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Toshiba MK4021GAS Toshiba SD-R2512 Stock heatpipes Windows XP Home SP3 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
15.0" XGA TFT Internal only 18.5 V, 4.9 A Stock 15" Pavilion Shell (8 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech MX510 Gaming Optical Generic gel-based green Internal Altec Lansing only Targus PAU10KU 
OtherOther
D-Link DWL-G650M Generic black messenger-style bag 
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Intel Core i7-3770k ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 EVGA GeForce GTX 780 FTW (03G-P4-3784-KR) Crucial Ballistix Sport 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ Hitachi Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 HDS721075KLA330 Hitachi X Mobile 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG CH08LS10 (SATA BD-R / DVD±R / CD-RW) Prolimatech Megashadow Scythe S-Flex SFF21G x2 Scythe S-Flex SFF21F x2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Thermalright TR-FDB-1600 x4 XCLIO Amazing Fan 250mm Scythe Kama Bay SCKB-1000BK x3 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 
OSOSOSOS
Windows XP Home x64 SP3 (via Virtualbox) Fedora 15 LXDE (via Virtualbox) Slackware Linux XFCE (via Virtualbox) DOS 5.0 (via DOSbox) 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
LG 47LH40 Acer G276HL Gbd Acer G276HL Gbd Unicomp Classic 104 Black Buckling Spring PS2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Silverstone OP1000-E Modded Thermaltake Armor VA8003BWS Logitech G500 Massive generic black foam mat 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty C... Denon AVR-1910 Polk Audio Monitor 40 Polk Audio Monitor 30 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Polk Audio CS1 Polk Audio PSW10 Jamo C400SUR Plantronics Gamecom 377 
AudioOtherOtherOther
LG HBM-235 Genovation ControlPad 683 Canon Imageclass MF4450 12" Dual White Cold Cathode Kit x3 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Microsoft Strategic Commander UPEK Eikon Digital Privacy Manager Logitech G27 Playseat Revolution (NASCAR) 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Playseat Revolution Gearshift Holder Sony DualShock 3 Microsoft Lifecam VX-1000 D-Link DBT-120 
OtherOther
APC SMT1500 HP Photosmart 3210xi All-in-One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 Merom Toshiba ISRAA 1.0 (Socket 479) ATI Mobility Radeon HD2600 modded CCC 10.6 OCZ2MV6674GK 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Hitachi Travelstar 7K500 HD20500 Western Digital Caviar Blue (WD6400BEVT-22A0RT0) Matshita DVD-RAM UJ-850S ATA Stock heatpipe system 
CoolingOSOSOS
Thermaltake Massive23 CS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Windows XP Home x64 SP3 (via Virtualbox) DOS 5.0 (via DOSbox) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
17.0" Diagonal Widescreen WSXGA+ Internal only 19 V, 6.32 A Stock 17" Satellite shell (8.5 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G500 Small generic black foam mat HP Thin USB Powered Speakers Fiio E5 Headphone Amplifier 
AudioOtherOther
Griffin iTrip P1141 Microsoft GPS 168 Toshiba Backpack PA1366U-1NCS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ Barton Hewlett-Packard 0024 ATI Mobility Radeon IGP-320M Crucial CT6464X265.16FG 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Toshiba MK4021GAS Toshiba SD-R2512 Stock heatpipes Windows XP Home SP3 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
15.0" XGA TFT Internal only 18.5 V, 4.9 A Stock 15" Pavilion Shell (8 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech MX510 Gaming Optical Generic gel-based green Internal Altec Lansing only Targus PAU10KU 
OtherOther
D-Link DWL-G650M Generic black messenger-style bag 
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