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How well does a 3800x2 manchester do on 1.4 volts?
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Ok, now I'm at 2.4GHz but my ram is set a 160MHz. Highest voltage I could go was 2.85 and there we go, it finally post
Why is it that NO ONE has mentioned the Socket 939 quirk with 4 sticks to this guy yet?

When running 4 sticks of memory on Socket 939, 99% of the time, you're automatically defaulted to 166MHz (DDR333) and 2T Command Rate. PERIOD. Anything past THAT is an overclock. 200MHz (DDR400) is no longer your stock speed.

So as its been said, take those 2x256MB sticks OUT. They're not doing anything except holding you up!

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Ive been reading all your posts over the last few weeks , Have an offer for ya , If you PM me your info. Im willing to donate some good Ram , extra I have lying around that I cant seem to sell
! That's so kind of you boonie, thank you! Oh....you were talking to Domino . Better jump on that Domino! Boonie's got some great RAM.....I've checked out his for sale thread before.
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Pioneer: the 4-stick quirk does not apply here usually. Usually, you must have 4 sticks of 512 or larger to come into play. Since two sticks are 256 MB, the thought never crossed my mind.

However, I then remembered that it is not a density issue. According to my Abit manual, it is a double-sided RAM issue. If you are using double-sided RAM, as is common for sticks 512 MB or larger, you are limited to DDR 333 with four sticks as stated. With single-sided RAM, as is common for sticks 256 MB or smaller, you may run up to DDR 400 despite having four sticks.

Good call!
     
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Pioneer: the 4-stick quirk does not apply here usually. Usually, you must have 4 sticks of 512 or larger to come into play. Since two sticks are 256 MB, the thought never crossed my mind.

However, I then remembered that it is not a density issue. According to my Abit manual, it is a double-sided RAM issue. If you are using double-sided RAM, as is common for sticks 512 MB or larger, you are limited to DDR 333 with four sticks as stated. With single-sided RAM, as is common for sticks 256 MB or smaller, you may run up to DDR 400 despite having four sticks.

Good call!
Blitz, I think Pio is referring to the amount of stress the IMC (integrated memory controller) receives when 4 DIMM slots are populated regardless of density size.

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Let me clarify. It appears that the 939 IMC has only room for three ranks. Ranks used on one channel may not be used on the other channel. This then seems to indicate it is possible to experience this issue with only two DIMMs. If you mount a dual-rank DIMM in each of the channels (thereby running the RAM in single-channel mode) I would hypothesize that you would be reduced to DDR 333. Running single rank on both channels, or running dual on one and single on the other maintains the three rank limit thereby permitting DDR 400.

This could be wrong, but would someone like to test the theory for me? Ideally, someone with a BIOS that you can save configurations in. Then you can save the overclock, swing a DIMM from dual channel to single channel, reset the CMOS so it will read from the SPD, and boot. If you read DDR 333, my theory is strengthened.
     
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I would test it for you if I understood what you were saying Blitz. I'm not all here right now.
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Okay. Let me clarify.

1) RAM can be either single sided or double sided. Each side is called a rank.
2) My theory is that a 939 IMC is limited to three ranks for DDR 400.
3) If you exceed three ranks, the RAM slows down to DDR 333.
4) Rank is determined by channel, not by DIMM slot, and the sum of all channels is the IMC.

Therefore, to test the theory, I propose:

1) Take a system at stock with two, dual-rank DIMMs.
2) Mount the DIMMs on the same channel to give dual-channel mode. This is two ranks for the purposes of the IMC. Two on one channel, zero on the other.
3) Ensure the system is running DDR 400.
4) Move one DIMM to the other channel to give single-channel mode. This is two ranks in each of the two channels to give four ranks for the purposes of the IMC.
5) See what speed the system defaults to. I hypothesize DDR 333.
     
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Okay. Let me clarify.

1) RAM can be either single sided or double sided. Each side is called a rank.
2) My theory is that a 939 IMC is limited to three ranks for DDR 400.
3) If you exceed three ranks, the RAM slows down to DDR 333.
4) Rank is determined by channel, not by DIMM slot, and the sum of all channels is the IMC.

Therefore, to test the theory, I propose:

1) Take a system at stock with two, dual-rank DIMMs.
2) Mount the DIMMs on the same channel to give dual-channel mode. This is two ranks for the purposes of the IMC. Two on one channel, zero on the other.
3) Ensure the system is running DDR 400.
4) Move one DIMM to the other channel to give single-channel mode. This is two ranks in each of the two channels to give four ranks for the purposes of the IMC.
5) See what speed the system defaults to. I hypothesize DDR 333.
Sadly, if I understood what you've just said correctly, your theory is instantly invalidated by more than one example I can cite.

I used to run the same RAM that thlnk3r has (G.Skill F1-3200PHU2-2GBNS), and in our quest to find out what ICs lurked beneath the heatspreaders we had a great look at the distribution of chips on the PCB.

There are two ranks (double-sided) of chips per DIMM.

My Patriot PC3200LKs (2 x 1GB) also have their chips in two ranks per DIMM.

Mounted on any board, the motherboard always detects the SPD correctly and sets them to the default timings at DDR400 (with the reference clock at stock, of course).

Obviously, your condition that there may not be more than three ranks fpr DDR400 speeds is instantly invalidated.
    
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Then perhaps it is not solely an IMC issue. The manual I am looking at to make my theory is based on the 3200CFX. Would you like to boot up the test board and see if the theory holds water there Joe?

My question further: your testing on the nF4: did you only run them in the major slots of the channels or you also tried the minors? That is, did you only do A1/B1, or also tried A2/B2?
     
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I'd have to agree with joe here. I've ran SEVERAL dual sided sticks in single channel before, and its always been defaulted to DDR400.
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