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Then perhaps it is not solely an IMC issue.
Blitz, the IMC issue was just a thought that Pio threw out there. It is very possible that the stress levels on the integrated memory controller could be the culprit.

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Then perhaps it is not solely an IMC issue. The manual I am looking at to make my theory is based on the 3200CFX. Would you like to boot up the test board and see if the theory holds water there Joe?

My question further: your testing on the nF4: did you only run them in the major slots of the channels or you also tried the minors? That is, did you only do A1/B1, or also tried A2/B2?
No need for testing, for I've seen the effects on any S939 motherboard I've personally played with. That includes the LANParty UT CFX3200-DR, the AT8-32X, the KN8-SLI, the A8V-E SE, the ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe, the Jetway GT4SLI, the TForce 6100-939, and the LANParty UT nF4 Ultra-D. I've swapped RAM channels, DIMM slots, and all other permutations.

With a 2 x 1GB RAM kit (all of them are composed of two dual-rank DIMMs, if I'm not mistaken), at stock reference clock speeds, the motherboard will always default to DDR400. I've never ever seen an exception.

This is clearly a case of documentation being superseded by actual performance fact. In other words, I don't care if the manuals say 1+1 = 2 if I've personally seen (as have many others) that that is fuzzy math. Real world experience > whatever a manual might say.
    
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*Is shocked and appalled that the present Joe persona clearly is unmasked.*

Thlnk3r: I understand that is what he said. IMC stress has long been believed to be the cause of this phenomenon. I am trying to see if there is another factor here. Perhaps the interplay between the IMC and the Chipset.

Joe: Then I do believe Abit lied to me. Have you seen the manual for the Abit AT8-32x?
     
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*Is shocked and appalled that the present Joe persona clearly is unmasked.*

Thlnk3r: I understand that is what he said. IMC stress has long been believed to be the cause of this phenomenon. I am trying to see if there is another factor here. Perhaps the interplay between the IMC and the Chipset.
You can't see his whole face, can you?

I don't think it's a chipset issue, either. My post above yours shows that the phenomenon is consistent with a whole range of chipsets. nVidia, ATi, and VIA are all represented. Besides, with S939, the chipsets have nothing to do with controlling or regulating any memory functions.
    
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What does that T1 and T2 stand for?
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Command rate.
     
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Command rate.
What's best, T1 or T2?
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What's best, T1 or T2?
Domino, 1T supposedly provides better "performance" then 2T. The differences in my opinion are very small and only noticeable in benchmarks. If you're able to keep a stable overclock while running 1T then by all means keep running that. In most cases a command rate of 2T is ran with an overclock for added stability vs 1T.

Here's an interesting thread that discusses this: http://www.overclock.net/amd-memory/...ate-there.html.

I've ran both settings before in the past and I didn't notice a difference...especially in games.

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What's best, T1 or T2?
Setting your RAM's Command Rate to T1 gives you more performance in terms of improved bandwidth. In other words, at the same RAM frequency, T1 will yield better performance compared to T2.

On the other hand, setting the Command Rate to T2 can often yield more RAM MHz when you're overclocking your memory. Where a given set of RAM have a frequency limit (let's say, just for the sake of this discussion, 220MHz, or DDR440) at T1, setting the Command Rate to T2 will often (but not always) yield more MHz. Increasing RAM frequency has the same happy consequence of improving your memory's bandwidth as well.

So the question is, which setting will yield more in terms of MHz (and therefore bandwidth) from the RAM? Unfortunately, this is an impossible question to answer; only testing and benchmarking will give definitive answers. Much depends on your RAM; it may overclock well at 1T, or it may get you many many more MHz at 2T. This is why you should always test.

Hope this helps.
    
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Hello, link below could be useful, ;D

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