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I do not have the link handy, but if I remember right, the difference between 8x/8x and 16x/16x is about 1-3%. The difference of 8x to 16x for a single card is slightly higher, to the tune of 2-5%. I know with an HD 3850, a far weaker card, there is no difference at all between AGP 8x, PCI-E 16x, and PCI-E 2.0 16x from experience.

Sc4r3d: The difference is that a "Nostalgic" member no longer runs their rig. There is no CPU-Z validation on the on-site roster. The off-site roster will permit CPU-Z validations if possible. (Of course, if you no longer have the rig, obtaining a CPU-Z is nigh on impossible.)

An "Active" member still runs a 939 computer. Even if only as a dedicated server (such as Xyro) this still counts. A CPU-Z validation or similar is required for this, and it will appear for your fastest rig on the on-site roster and all rigs on the off-site roster.
     
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Hell I still have it running send me the info I will get her posted up, she is going to be a file server for me I can't turn Bessy off! She has a single 4850 in her
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A 4850 and a pair of 4870s? I am jealous of your budget! (Especially since the latter are water cooled.)
     
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I know with an HD 3850, a far weaker card, there is no difference at all between AGP 8x, PCI-E 16x, and PCI-E 2.0 16x from experience.
Blitz, the ATI 3850 is still a awesome card. Going from that to a 4850 I saw very little difference. In comparison to 3DMark06, the 3850 scored 9689 and the 4850 scored around 10600. Hardly any difference. Even in the source games I didn't really notice a difference.

Just to add, I ran a PCIe 2x setup with my 3850. The difference in-game was hugely noticeable when I went to 16x. Perhaps maybe not 8x versus 16x but 2x was a ridiculous hamper on performance.

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I would hypothesize that the card nearly saturates the AGP 8x bus.

AGP 8x is 2,133 MB/s, PCI-E 16x is 4,000 MB/s, and PCI-E 2.0 16x is 8,000 MB/s. PCI-E 2x would in fact kill the card, as you said, for it has a hypothetical bandwidth of only 500 MB/s.

As I said though, from AGP to PCI-E 16x, my 3DMark06 was identical. Game performance was substantially similar, varying less than 1 FPS if at all. From 16x to 2.0 16x, I saw no difference at all from 16x.
     
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I would hypothesize that the card nearly saturates the AGP 8x bus.

AGP 8x is 2,133 MB/s, PCI-E 16x is 4,000 MB/s, and PCI-E 2.0 16x is 8,000 MB/s. PCI-E 2x would in fact kill the card, as you said, for it has a hypothetical bandwidth of only 500 MB/s.

As I said though, from AGP to PCI-E 16x, my 3DMark06 was identical. Game performance was substantially similar, varying less than 1 FPS if at all. From 16x to 2.0 16x, I saw no difference at all from 16x.
Which is why I didn't upgrade to PCI-E. ^^ Sorry to butt in, but I have something to add to, hopefully, make me official...
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Believe me Jack, if I did not have my motherboard die out from under me, I would have stayed with my AGP setup.

And I cannot hook you up. You see, you already have been a member! If you want however, I will change from the screen shot to the CPU-Z validation.
     
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No no! I haven't been able to hit 2.82 again so, I'm very much happy with keeping the first screeny as my proof.

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Anything higher than 2.7 is outstanding with a 3800+ anyway. I have to say, I am VERY jealous about your HD 3850. My AGP could not clock that high ever. (Stopped at 709/939. Any higher started dropping performance.) My PCI-E ones cannot upclock at all. I am wondering if it really is my PSU being too weak...
     
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A 4850 and a pair of 4870s? I am jealous of your budget! (Especially since the latter are water cooled.)

I have a 3200+ on water with an X850 XTPE (on water) that is still running so I guess I have 2 AMD old fart machines


I went a LONG time on single core as a matter of fact, up until this week .. I will have the Q9550 up and running tonight. Just waiting to hear from the front office my package has arrived WAITING FOR THIS I have 2 kits of it coming, and since the ram was so cheap why not have 8GB haha. God I remember paying like $150 for my 2gb of g.skill for my 4000+ lol.
Here is a pic of the 3200+ with the 850 in water.. I will be reusing this case for this intel build (i paid enough) I really want a MM case but I already wasted a wad on my blue beauty.


Edited by Sc4r3d - 11/21/08 at 12:02pm
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