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The wattage that your PC consumes and the minimum PSU that you need to run are two different things. There are two types of calculators. One that calculates actually draw, and one that calculates the rated wattage of the PSU that is recommended for your system. I've noticed that actual draw is about half the rating of the PSU that you need to install in order to avoid stability issues and early death of your PSU.

My system only draws 270W at full load, but the recommended PSU is around 550W
I can almost guarantee you that your system would even run fine with the 380W Antec Earthwatts (provided it has all of the correct connectors). The GTS 250 doesn't draw that much power.

Who said that the recommended PSU is a 550W?
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Some pics of my first cable management job ever. In the CM 690 II. More pics and a review to come.
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post #10163 of 19729
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I can almost guarantee you that your system would even run fine with the 380W Antec Earthwatts (provided it has all of the correct connectors). The GTS 250 doesn't draw that much power.

Who said that the recommended PSU is a 550W?
Both of my GPU's each have a maximum draw of around 100w. It doesn't mean that they draw 100w all the time. My CPU pulls down another 100w. All other power draw might amount to 50-75w total. While this does fit (barely) into the specs of an Warthwatts 380w, the issue remains that the power signal would be very dirty. Running a PSU at it's max rating not only doesn't provide you with clean power (with most PSU's), which is important for stability, but when you run your PC 24/7 as I run mine, it would almost certainly result in reduced life of the PSU.

I'll admit, running a highly overspec'd PSU can shorten life as well.... IIRC
Edited by theCanadian - 1/24/10 at 2:15pm
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post #10164 of 19729
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I can almost guarantee you that your system would even run fine with the 380W Antec Earthwatts (provided it has all of the correct connectors). The GTS 250 doesn't draw that much power.

Who said that the recommended PSU is a 550W?
But what is the efficiency of that PSU? It's never going to fully output 380W to his components, based on how efficient it is.
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Both of my GPU's each have a maximum draw of around 100w. It doesn't mean that they draw 100w all the time. My CPU pulls down another 100w. All other power draw might amount to 50-75w total. While this does fit (barely) into the specs of an Warthwatts 380w, the issue remains that the power signal would be very dirty. Running a PSU at it's max rating not only doesn't provide you with clean power (with most PSU's), which is important for stability, but when you run your PC 24/7 as I run mine, it would almost certainly result in reduced life of the PSU.

I'll admit, running a highly overspec'd PSU can shorten life as well.... IIRC
I was just making a point, however when I got caught up in writing my reply, I forgot about the 9800 GT that is also in your system. So, if I were to recommend a very solid PSU for your system while trying to spend the least amount of money possible, then I would probably recommend the Corsair VX450W, or some other really high-end 450W unit.

I still don't understand what or who told you that your system needs a 550W unit. The GTS 250 is basically identical to the 9800 GTX+, and I could have easily ran my system with the 9800 GTX+ using the 380W Antec Earthwatts. But I didn't because when I built my system, everyone said it required at least a 500W unit, and so I ended up with the Corsair HX520W.

But that's not all: at the time I had an 8600 GTS. When I upgraded to the 9800 GTX+, everyone said my HX520W was overkill, but that it was a good thing since overkill is fun (when isn't it fun).

So even with the 9800 GT in there alongside the GTS 250, this system does not really require a quality 550W. But that's not to say that I recommend buying a PSU that would be at like 85% of its capacity or more most of the time.
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What is that noise reducing stuff, that looks like a hella interesting way to lower noise and hide cables
post #10167 of 19729
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What is that noise reducing stuff, that looks like a hella interesting way to lower noise and hide cables
It's just like a foam. The purpose is so that the sound waves get absorbed and scattered in different directions when it hits the foam as opposed to bouncing off the hard walls, ceiling and floor of the chassis.

So any sound waves that are not absorbed get scattered and then get absorbed somewhere else. Many of the sound waves will still escape, but this foam gets a large portion of them.

It's a very similar effect to when you have a large gymnasium and then put carpet on the walls, floor and ceiling.
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post #10168 of 19729
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Originally Posted by theCanadian View Post
The wattage that your PC consumes and the minimum PSU that you need to run are two different things. There are two types of calculators. One that calculates actually draw, and one that calculates the rated wattage of the PSU that is recommended for your system. I've noticed that actual draw is about half the rating of the PSU that you need to install in order to avoid stability issues and early death of your PSU.

My system only draws 270W at full load, but the recommended PSU is around 550W
The only reason a 550watt PSU is recommend is because many of them only carry 400watts on the 12v rail.

Your computer would run just fine on a Antec EA380D or EA430D. Provided noise wouldn't be that great (since they are Delta's with 80mm fans)

You usually want to pick a PSU that keeps you within 20-88% when in use. Since that's most PSU's prime spots as far as efficiency, ripple suppression, voltage stability, and such are concerned.

An i7 @ 4.2ghz (as tested by Shinji2k) is only about 205watts durring Linpack testing.
The GTS250 is around 105watts during Furmark

That's the main of your system running on 310watts total. Throw in a CM690 full of .8amp fans (IE: Delta AFB1212SH's) and you have a total system draw of only 360watts on the 12v rail. Though, those fans are much more draw than what we would normally use on case fans (.35amps to .5amps is the norm)
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@xDuBz

Yeah, its a noise dampening foam
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16800999369

I have it on both side panels too, and still some left over!
hey ty.. i think im gonna need that cause ima bout to buy some jet fighter engine fan
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post #10170 of 19729
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
The only reason a 550watt PSU is recommend is because many of them only carry 400watts on the 12v rail.

Your computer would run just fine on a Antec EA380D or EA430D. Provided noise wouldn't be that great (since they are Delta's with 80mm fans)

You usually want to pick a PSU that keeps you within 20-88% when in use. Since that's most PSU's prime spots as far as efficiency, ripple suppression, voltage stability, and such are concerned.

An i7 @ 4.2ghz (as tested by Shinji2k) is only about 205watts durring Linpack testing.
The GTS250 is around 105watts during Furmark

That's the main of your system running on 310watts total. Throw in a CM690 full of .8amp fans (IE: Delta AFB1212SH's) and you have a total system draw of only 360watts on the 12v rail. Though, those fans are much more draw than what we would normally use on case fans (.35amps to .5amps is the norm)
In which case you could get away with a 550W psu as long as it had decent efficiency.. I personally dont' think I'll be moving away from my 600W psu anytime soon, even if I do upgrade to an i7.
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