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Originally Posted by smash_mouth01 View Post
lol small hands off the subject of small hands I'd love to have the luxury of being able to re-boot but every time I do since using win 7 it chucks a poo hit and I have to use the system disc to repair it
try fixing the mbr...

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try fixing the mbr...

edit: again first post on the next page lol.
I don't have that problem.

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What do you mean by cold booting? I mean, when I say "cold boot", I am referring to those times when Windows locks up and you have to press the Reset button, or just flip the power switch (or hold the power button down for 5 seconds). I mean, that's the only definition of "cold boot" I have ever heard. But it's beginning to sound like that definition is out-dated or no longer used.

Anyway, the memory is wiped when the system is rebooted. I think it's even wiped if you only restart Windows without rebooting the entire system. But, I can't remember how to do that, otherwise I'd test it. I thought that it was done by holding Shift while telling Windows to Restart, but that doesn't work. Now that I think about it, maybe it was only possible in Windows 95/98.

Either way, when I reboot my system, the memory is certainly wiped because nothing loads from memory when launched for the first time after the reboot.
A cold boot is exactly that. When all the components are cold (room temp), as opposed to hot booting when the components are still hot from a previous session and haven't had time to cool down.
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Yes that's the definition I am referring to also. Once I had some kind of virus in my memory and the only way I could rid myself of it was cold booting. Simply rebooting didn't do it. IDK.
Well it's been proven RAM still retains data even after power is removed from it. I remember seeing somewhere a test where a pic of mona lisa was loaded into the RAM and they tested it after 5 min 10 min etc - most of the pic was still there. I think the reason was government data being stolen by someone taking the RAM and putting it in their own laptop/PC... it may have been at tomshardware if you want to try and find it.
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Originally Posted by T3h_Ch33z_Muncha View Post
A cold boot is exactly that. When all the components are cold (room temp), as opposed to hot booting when the components are still hot from a previous session and haven't had time to cool down.
According to Sparky6string, he was referring to when you just press Reset to reboot instead of doing it properly.
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
What do you mean by cold booting? I mean, when I say "cold boot", I am referring to those times when Windows locks up and you have to press the Reset button, or just flip the power switch (or hold the power button down for 5 seconds). I mean, that's the only definition of "cold boot" I have ever heard. But it's beginning to sound like that definition is out-dated or no longer used.

Anyway, the memory is wiped when the system is rebooted. I think it's even wiped if you only restart Windows without rebooting the entire system. But, I can't remember how to do that, otherwise I'd test it. I thought that it was done by holding Shift while telling Windows to Restart, but that doesn't work. Now that I think about it, maybe it was only possible in Windows 95/98.

Either way, when I reboot my system, the memory is certainly wiped because nothing loads from memory when launched for the first time after the reboot.
Yes that's the definition I am referring to also. Once I had some kind of virus in my memory and the only way I could rid myself of it was cold booting. Simply rebooting didn't do it. IDK.
Not only that, see this excerpt of a Wikipedia article which fully explains it:
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Hard reboot

A hard reboot (also known as a cold reboot, cold boot or cold start) is when power to a computer is cycled (turned off and then on) or a special reset signal to the processor is triggered. This restarts the computer without first performing any shut-down procedure. (With many operating systems, especially those using disk caches, after a hard reboot the filesystem may be in an "unclean" state, and an automatic scan of on-disk filesystem structures will be done before normal operation can begin.) It may be caused by power failure, be done by accident, or be done deliberately as a last resort to forcibly retrieve the system from instances such as a critical error or virus-inflicted DoS attack. It can also be used by intruders to access cryptographic keys from RAM, in which case it is called a cold boot attack.
Again, here's the source. I intentionally used the # link as the source.

I found this with a Google search.
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Well it's been proven RAM still retains data even after power is removed from it. I remember seeing somewhere a test where a pic of mona lisa was loaded into the RAM and they tested it after 5 min 10 min etc - most of the pic was still there. I think the reason was government data being stolen by someone taking the RAM and putting it in their own laptop/PC... it may have been at tomshardware if you want to try and find it.
Now this is something I am very glad to know. I have always been under the understanding that memory really is completely wiped clean as soon as the system is shut down, or just rebooted. So, thank you for providing this information.
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
According to Sparky6string, he was referring to when you just press Reset to reboot instead of doing it properly.
Huh?

Instead of using names for it let me explain what I had to do. Rather than shut the computer off normally (ie with buttons, or using Window's shut down) I had to reach around and shut the power source off while the computer was running. AFAIK that is the definition of cold booting- like I said to begin with. I'm not sure where the confusion lies here.

EDIT: wait I think we're referring to the same thing here actually. Although pressing the reset button restarts immediately and I think I had to wait a while, although it was a while back now.
Edited by Sparky6string - 6/16/09 at 12:46am
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post #5446 of 19729
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Huh?

Instead of using names for it let me explain what I had to do. Rather than shut the computer off normally (ie with buttons, or using Window's shut down) I had to reach around and shut the power source off while the computer was running. AFAIK that is the definition of cold booting- like I said to begin with. I'm not sure where the confusion lies here.

EDIT: wait I think we're referring to the same thing here actually. Although pressing the reset button restarts immediately and I think I had to wait a while, although it was a while back now.
You're right: we're essentially referring to the same thing. But unfortunately, T3h_Ch33z_Muncha is a little bit misinformed on computer-jargon.
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I thought you were going to say something about the long boot up time...like for me...and Vista...


No no no Windows 7 takes a grat big turd over the top of vista of any flavour
no system hangs or the dreaded b.s.o.d and loads in seconds and uses stuff all sys reasourses oh and the best bit it comes with DX 11 so I'm all geared up for the next wave of graphics hardware. But the down side is tha the RC1 version of Win 7 Ultimate is that it's only good untill the 1st of march next year and then from that point it shuts down every 2 hrs but the retail version will be out

but the release candidate is weart the 3 Gb dowload but also some software venders, drivers and apps havn't jumped onto the band wagon yet, it's a real shame because the OS is Solid except it doesn't like to be re-booted
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I thought cold booting was booting from a completely cold and fresh rig. By the time all the components are cold, the RAM should have been completely wiped.
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No no no Windows 7 takes a grat big turd over the top of vista of any flavour
no system hangs or the dreaded b.s.o.d and loads in seconds and uses stuff all sys reasourses oh and the best bit it comes with DX 11 so I'm all geared up for the next wave of graphics hardware. But the down side is tha the RC1 version of Win 7 Ultimate is that it's only good untill the 1st of march next year and then from that point it shuts down every 2 hrs but the retail version will be out

but the release candidate is weart the 3 Gb dowload but also some software venders, drivers and apps havn't jumped onto the band wagon yet, it's a real shame because the OS is Solid except it doesn't like to be re-booted
My son-in-law and I are considering creating a partition to add Windows 7 but not replace XP. Sounds like it's gonna be fun though huh?
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Should I upgrade to the RC? I'm on 7048 right now...
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