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post #8871 of 19729
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Originally Posted by scottsee View Post
The CASE does run more effecent when you add another exhaust fan..
Yes it does, when you add an exhaust fan. Which would be a CASE fan. Not a PSU fan.
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post #8872 of 19729
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I know, one hand typing takes eyes off the screen, srry..
Heh no worries.
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post #8873 of 19729
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Originally Posted by spiderm0nkey View Post
Nope, surprisingly it is an intake. Or at least mine is. Brings air in through the bottom and that gets pushed over the components, then out the grill at the back.
Hmmm that's a change from the direction of the old 80mm PSU fans, that blew out.

I'll check when I get home, I'm just curious. My interest in this conversation has more to do with procrastinating on school work and messing around in MS Paint than anything else.

I thought it went like this.

But if it's an intake, it makes more sense to have it facing down no matter if it's in the bottom or the top of the case.
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post #8874 of 19729
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Just because you're unable to grasp my argument dosen't make the point less clear. ATX standerds recomend PSU fans faceing the board. If you don't feel like it, write the comittie and have it changed..
What part of outdated do you not get?
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post #8875 of 19729
still adds case effentcy, draws air out creating negitive pressure bringing air twords the dead spots above the PSU. Anything else?
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What part of outdated do you not get?
Look there's no need to argue, especially since both of you are saying the same thing.

He's simply pointing out what the standard is, and he qualified it saying that it's better with the fan down.

You're saying the same thing.

Everyone just relax, let's not get our beloved thread locked.
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post #8877 of 19729
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Hmmm that's a change from the direction of the old 80mm PSU fans, that blew out.

I'll check when I get home, I'm just curious. My interest in this conversation has more to do with procrastinating on school work and messing around in MS Paint than anything else.

I thought it went like this.

But if it's an intake, it makes more sense to have it facing down no matter if it's in the bottom or the top of the case.
It works better when you have a fan dedicated to bringing air into the psu. Sure air can get in there on its own and then be pushed out, but the majority these days will have a single fan that brings air into the psu to cool the components. That air will then escape out the grill at the back.

It works better to have a fan constantly sucking air in
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post #8878 of 19729
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Originally Posted by spiderm0nkey View Post
It works better when you have a fan dedicated to bringing air into the psu. Sure air can get in there on its own and then be pushed out, but the majority these days will have a single fan that brings air into the psu to cool the components. That air will then escape out the grill at the back.

It works better to have a fan constantly sucking air in
This is fantastic information. Thank you.
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post #8879 of 19729
Just because a law is outdated dosen't mean it's not still the law.

Same goes for the this. Antec, OCZ, Crosshair all must make PSU according to this old outdated ATX form factor to be competitive in the computer market sence ATX is the currently accepted standerd. By doing so they add aditional options to the power supply, like removable cords, more effency in the rails, fail safes for over voltages, exc. Every ATX PSU is built to encompus the older standerds. To fix the ineffency in this ATX design and for current computer hardware case companys have picked up the slack and made NON ATX standerd case designs that incorperate ATX stander motherboards. Now it was up to the PSU companies to accomidate this, so the put the stickers upside down! Effectivly caling it an ATX PSU.

Rember back in the 80's when it was "IBM compatable" Same thing here. ATX will eventually change or adapt, or it will be droped. Kinda supprised it hasn't yet beeing as out dated as it is.
Edited by scottsee - 10/26/09 at 4:42pm
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post #8880 of 19729
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Just because a law is outdated dosen't mean it's not still the law.

Same goes for the this. Antec, OCZ, Crosshair all must make PSU according to this old outdated ATX form factor to be compeditive in the computer market. Buy doing so they add things above the required fields to stay above the compitition, like removable cords, more effency, fail safes for ove voltages. Every ATX PSU is built to encompus the older standerds. To fix the ineffency in this case companys have picked up the slack and made NON ATX standerd case designs that incorperate ATX stander motherboards. Now it was up to the companies to accomidate this, so the put the stickers upside down! Effectivly caling it an ATX PSU.
Lol. Thats kinda funny. Anyways. Of course they need to make stuff to ATX standards, it's just the people who wrote the standards who need to get off their asses and consider a revision since components have changed so much in the last 5 years. Yep the companies need to fabricate their components to the standards but then the consumer gets the choice on whether to conform to what the standards suggest or if they want to try something that they think might be better.

I don't think they're necessarily laws, more just guidelines that they recommend we follow. We don't have to, but it's recommended. I don't really mind. I'm happy with all of my parts and their placements. They don't all conform with the ATX guidelines but it's efficient and it works for me.
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