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I found what he was saying pretty clear from the beginning. He wasn't advocating the standard as "the thing to do," just pointing out what it was.

Good synopsis, spiderm0nkey.

Now let's all get back on track, this thread never leaves the rails
All this talk about psu's -.- When you said rails I instantly thought of the 12V rails inside psu's. Argh.

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Okay. Somehow we've all got it wrong. He's actually trying to say that regardless of whether the form factor standards are outdated or not, that having the psu with the fan facing components is how they recommend it. The original argument wasn't about what the better was of positioning the psu was. He has stated numerous times that yes, sucking in cold air from outside IS the most efficient way of cooling the psu. He was originally following the recomendations of the atx standards by having his psu facing (what we consider) upside down, rather than the case design.

AFAIK he was simply saying that actually the form factor standards recommend having the psu fan facing the components. However everyone (including me) took it to mean that he was trying to cool the inside of his case using his psu, which in turn caused a great uproar and a lot of name calling from our side.

He was right. It IS the form factor standard to have the fan directed at components. If my memory serves me correctly he wasn't trying to argue that cooling the case using the psu was particularly efficient. In fact probably the opposite.

Have I got the right end of the stick here scottsee or not?
You both are so "old school". Surely you both must realize that when the modern ATX standard was ratified you didn't have to worry about 140 watt CPU's and GPU's that are designed to run at 80C and beyond. Times have changed and it's time to realize that the PSU is the heart of any system like a pre-cursor to the motherboard (not saying anything about mothers). In modern PC's, hardware enthusiast's know that "heat" is the enemy and getting it out of the case is primary. Coolermaster engineers know this better than any of us. They have Master's degrees in engineering. Hence the reason they designed the case the way they did. With the PSU's air intake on bottom drawing air in from outside the case. How can we argue with their chosen design? I recognize it's logic and elegance but doubt I could do better. Perhaps we should defer to them?
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I should be painting my case within the next few weeks. You guys want me to post some pictures when I'm done?
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You both are so "old school". Surely you both must realize that when the modern ATX standard was ratified you didn't have to worry about 140 watt CPU's and GPU's that are designed to run at 80C and beyond. Times have changed and it's time to realize that the PSU is the heart of any system like a pre-cursor to the motherboard (not saying anything about mothers). In modern PC's, hardware enthusiast's know that "heat" is the enemy and getting it out of the case is primary. Coolermaster engineers know this better than any of us. They have Master's degrees in engineering. Hence the reason they designed the case the way they did. With the PSU's air intake on bottom drawing air in from outside the case. How can we argue with their chosen design? I recognize it's logic and elegance but doubt I could do better. Perhaps we should defer to them?
Lol? How am I old school? I'm not even old enough to be considered old school. Even though the most recent ATX standard was set out in 2005 I'm not advocating that I agree with it. Back then it was cool and it probably worked a treat, but yes things have changed. Yes we now have more hardcore hardware that puts out heaps more heat.

I'm just agreeing with scottsee that it IS the most current standard (despite being old lol).
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I don't think many people bother to look at it
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I added a blurb to my signiture. I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over and over..

I don't know the answer to this, but how many current Dell, Acer, Hp, Gateway, Alienware, Apple, and Sony computer come with top mounted PSU's?
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Lol? How am I old school? I'm not even old enough to be considered old school. Even though the most recent ATX standard was set out in 2005 I'm not advocating that I agree with it. Back then it was cool and it probably worked a treat, but yes things have changed. Yes we now have more hardcore hardware that puts out heaps more heat.

I'm just agreeing with scottsee that it IS the most current standard (despite being old lol).
Look you're sweet. I get that. Buying into his argument looks like you agree with his position. My position is that he's wrong but it's his PC and I respect his decision. I'm not out to beat him down or hurt his feelings. It's his choice how he orients his PSU and I'll always respect that. People don't have to be disagreeable when they disagree. You know what I think about Coolermaster engineering as I've stated previously..
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Look you're sweet. I get that. Buying into his argument looks like you agree with his position. My position is that he's wrong but it's his PC and I respect his decision. I'm not out to beat him down or hurt his feelings. It's his choice how he orients his PSU and I'll always respect that. People don't have to be disagreeable when they disagree. You know what I think about Coolermaster engineering as I've stated previously..
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't agree with the form factor standards because they are outdated but because they haven't been updated, they're the most current ones we've got. I understand where scottsee is coming from. He is right in saying that they are the most recent standards but they are most certainly outdated.

As I have also stated previously I like the design of the cooler master case and I would prefer to never buy a case with a top mounted psu orientation again. I'm just as much in agreement with you as I am with him. I agree that it is definitely better to have the psu sucking cold air from outside to keep it cool and I also agree that v2.2 of the form factor standards are the most current we've got. I don't agree with what the standards recommend.
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Unless its a top mounted PSU.
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After selecting the 2nd quote, I got too pissed off to continue reading. This is driving me up the wall.
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Guys there is no argument. Every rebuttle I've made sence page 872 has been about the ATX form factor recomended fan orentation standerds. Nothing else..
Why do you care about the stupid so-called standard that was made in the year 2005?
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I even posted when I get a chance I'm mounting my psu the more effecent way.. Fan down. I was only proving a point that I knew what I was talking about..

When the question pops up: "On my bottem placing PSU what way should I install my psu, fan up or fan down?" I think the best possable answer suggests; "ATX V2.2 current standerds recomend fan side twords the boards, though, The current ATX is outdated and the more effecent way is to install the PSU with the fan drawing air from the outside, ambient air.
Why would somebody try to answer that question by checking that silly standard? That standard DOES NOT INCLUDE OR CONSIDER MOUNTING THE POWER SUPPLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CASE!!!
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Just because you're unable to grasp my argument dosen't make the point less clear. ATX standerds recomend PSU fans faceing the board. If you don't feel like it, write the comittie and have it changed..


Who the hell cares about that stupid standard? It's 4 years old!! Our rigs run hotter now!! But again, that standard does NOT consider mounting the PSU at the bottom. But if it DID, then they would state that the fan MUST face down in order to pull in the cooler air from outside. After all, the sole purpose for a PSU's fan is to help keep the PSU from overheating.

I bet there are hundreds if not thousands of standards in this world that we no longer conform to or even care about. It's human nature: we keep learning, and we keep improving upon those standards.
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