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Originally Posted by gotspeed View Post
dude honestly mount it how ever you want.
coolermaster drilled (i cut the mesh out) the bottom of the case so a power supply can breath cool air from out side the case for a reason. if they didn't want the fan on the bottom then they wouldn't have spend the time on putting the holes there. your the only one here looking stupid fighting about how something as little and silly as were the air that cools the power supply should come from, inside a warm case or like all the new high end cases, from the our side and blows back out the case.
Sigh.. Seriously, It's my fault people don't think there is an ATX psu recomended fan orentation? Yea, it's out dated.. Making the statment "I'm mounting my psu according to the ATX standerds" It's like saying I'm not going to j-walk becasue I don't want to get a ticket to your friend. Just becasue it's a law that isn't upheld doesn't mean its not a law..

It just is what it is and people have a problem with that..
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I mount my PSU however it seems to work best. I know one thing, I dont need some standard blah blah telling ME the best way to mount MY psu. Its more common sense than anything.
well some have less of that common sense stuff , thats why we have laws, speed limits, and rules.
    
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Oh. I should be painting my case within the next few weeks. You guys want me to post some pictures when I'm done?
Yes please, but be gentle with our bandwidth. Some of us have ISP's from Hell and there but for the grace of god go I. I never want to own a 2400 baud modem again...
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Sigh.. Seriously, It's my fault people don't think there is an ATX psu recomended fan orentation? Yea, it's out dated.. Making the statment "I'm mounting my psu according to the ATX standerds" It's like saying I'm not going to j-walk becasue I don't want to get a ticket to your friend. Just becasue it's a law that isn't upheld doesn't mean its not a law..

It just is what it is and people have a problem with that..
its not the fact that there is a standard or not, no one is debating that. what there saying is that, the standard that you keep bringing up is so out of date that using it in a new high end case like a cm690, that is designed to allow the psu to run cooler since it is being asked to give more power, and cleaner power. the amount of power that any newer high end power supply like a i7 needs creates more heat inside the case then what a power supply should be subjected to. my zalman 850 is rated for 850 at 45C so by turning it around and pulling in hot case air is going to raise that temp up to the point where the power isn't going to be stable or clean. that makes the power regulators work harder bring up a low signal or more importantly dissipating heat from a power supply sending to much power. how would to get a more stable power source? cool the components more so they are able to work with in there designed specs. so now your going to say they were always being heated up before why not still. because they were not having to supply 130-300+ watts for a overclocked cpu.

Stock CPU speed (MHz) 2667
Stock Vcore (V)1.2

Overclocked CPU speed (MHz) 3800
Overclocked Vcore (V)1.45

Overclocked CPU Wattage:270

so if someone is playing with o/c a i7 to 3.5 - 3.8 the power supply is needing to supply the cpu alone 300 watts or more. so asking a psu to give that much power then asking it to take the heat from that is nuts, so now that you have started to cook your power supply and its no longer able to give clean power to your system the voltage regulators have to work harder(more heat) trying to give the cpu stable power. it turns in to a vicious circle of more heat, less stable, more regulation, more heat, less stable, so on.

what does this mean in the end, its very possible that in the time you had your power supply turned facing the components you where sucking air that was hot enough to damage the power supply irreversibly to the point where when you turned it around the cooler air could have caused a capacitor, regulator, or some other component fail catastrophically when it was cooler then it was use to.

leave your power supply the way it is and when it fails again after months of the 50C or 60C air from your video card blowing through it, and it fails in that configuration you will see who was right. one of the main reasons some one would spend 60+ bucks on this case is because it has very good ventilation, there are very few if any that have as many fans to help cooling. to say that you need to put your psu in upside down( instead of facing to the bottom like the cases is designed to have) to get some extra cooling you have a problem some where else then. you have 1 of 2 problems 1. a fire in the case that is generating so much heat it can't be put out. or 2 new age components that create and use more power and need more stable power. more then likely you have the later of the two problems.

but using the psu to help in cooling is like putting your face in the way of a bullet that would have just passed your hand. you let it pass(let the hot air find its way out) and you (and your psu) stay alive. or you like a fool move your head in to the path of the bullet that wouldn't have caused such a big problem if it hit your hand(or passed though a normal system fan) and because you made it hit your head(power supply) your dead now(power supply).

fans fail for many reasons, heat, over voltage, load, or what ever else you want to come up with. so using a system fan that costs 5 or at most 15 bucks to replace makes more sense then trying to save a few bucks like oem, dell and hp do by using a power supply as a fan. using your 100+ buck psu to cool an already good air flow case and risk having a catastrophic failure on your power supply and it blowing your motherboard, cpu, ram, video card, hard drives, or cd drives would be silly if you ask me.

as for where i get my info, the last 2 years at itt-tech taking computer electronics engineering (ceet) and making power amps and voltage regulators and programming plc (programable logic controllers).

now drop this plz its pointless.


    
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IDK why you guys didn't believe me in the first place when i said scott was trolling. He is consistently inconsistent with his arguments, going back and forth that
1: It's the ATX standard and therefore is the most efficient
2: It's the ATX standard but regardless, ambient air is more efficient than hot air (really? )

So it's the ATX standard. What is your point? Taking things out of context is never fair my friend . the ATX standards (note: guidelines, not laws, and not applicable in every situation) were designed with a specific design - a top-mounted PSU with most likely, no case fans.

The ATX standards do not say this is the best for the PSU. They say it is the most accepted method of mounting and cooling. If you want what's best for your PSU, you mount it sucking in ambient air. That is all. ATX standards mean nothing to PSU cooling. It is up to you whether you want your PSU to be more efficient and last longer or not.

Your argument is pointless. You achieve nothing by it. Yay - it's the outdated ATX standard. Your point? So you score big on the all important "A+" test? Give me a break.

I sincerely hope you get with the banhammer you deserve.
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getting banned for debating and proveing my point would be a bit of a stretch.. I hurt someones feeling who put himself out there without fully understanding what my point was and assumed I was trolling. It's perfectly clear what my point is, and I've proved I'm correct.. I don't care if you believe me or not.. Not anymore. I'm done with this topic.
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Good. I'm glad you've stopped trolling after more than 100 posts...
You've had nothing constuctive to say in this thread from the second I brought up my point. Stop calling me a troll and trying to be an internet tough guy. You and Twocables are the only people who don't get it.. Everyone else understands my point.. STOP..
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Yes please, but be gentle with our bandwidth. Some of us have ISP's from Hell and there but for the grace of god go I. I never want to own a 2400 baud modem again...
Don't worry, I re-size my pictures to a maximum of 1024x768. Usually it's 800x600 though. Plus I save them at a lower quality so the files aren't too big.

To be honest, I think it would be wise for this debate to be dropped now guys. Obviously it's not doing anything other than annoying people so be the bigger men (or women) and just change the subject and have the self control to let it go and move on. Stop trying to be right or trying to prove other people wrong etc. Get back on topic and talk about the damn case. Otherwise take this argument to a separate thread.
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You've had nothing constuctive to say in this thread from the second I brought up my point. Stop calling me a troll and trying to be an internet tough guy. You and Twocables are the only people who don't get it.. Everyone else understands my point.. STOP..
No, if you bothered to read my post i understand exactly what you're saying, although of course that has changed virtually every post since the original.

Your point isn't a point. So it's an (old and outdated) ATX standard. Your point? Can you even make your mind up which is more efficient? Apparently not.

IF, like you've said a couple of times, you're just stating the ATX standard but believe the opposite (as your sig seems to suggest), then why are you bothering? What's the point of upholding something when you believe the complete opposite? I'm finished with your trolling, just let it go.
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Do you mean I might be able to take him off ignore soon?
judging by the above post, i wouldn't bother.
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I didnt want to post any pics of my new 690 build, so I could post the completed project . But Im very tempted to post some, Heck anything to get this thread back on topic and end this debate.
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