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2) Much of the BR licensing may not matter so much because I truly believe that digital distribution will reign supreme within the next 18-36mos. AppleTV is perhaps the most brazen attempt so far, but get ready for Netflix via your PS3. Xbox/PS3 have tried, but it really needs a heavy backer from the content side to make it work. I expect "subscription" based digital distribution within the next 18mos. Physical media for movies makes little sense going forward, and the physical transport HW to extract the bit-stream is also un-necessary. The decoding HW is still going to be key however.

The digital distribution model also better supports mobile applications. I buy/rent my movies using my TV remote and easily have the ability to watch them on my iTouch-like device. How would I do that if I had bought a BR disc? Its important to keep the average user in mind, not a PC geek who knows how to transcode bit-streams. Gotta love technology.
I'm definitely looking forward to see how NetFlix will integrate the high-def downloads over the consoles. The only thing that troubles me is the amount of storage that they'll require. I personally like owning my media and having ready access to it, but that will come at a price I guess.
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I'm definitely looking forward to see how NetFlix will integrate the high-def downloads over the consoles. The only thing that troubles me is the amount of storage that they'll require. I personally like owning my media and having ready access to it, but that will come at a price I guess.
I've been giving the "ownership" concept some thought also. My thoughts on this are that there is a quite a difference between the "need" for ownership when comparing say music vs movies. You're much more likely to find people having music collections, but only a small % of the market "collects" movies. There will also be cases of buying movies. I have ~300 music CDs, but I only own about 20 movies (many of which I bought based on initial excitement of DVD). This is probably typical.

So, out of all the movies that you watch, you may only "re-watch" 5% of those (made up that number, but my point is that it is small). With a subscription based service there is nothing stopping you re-watching your favorite films/music-performances/sport-games/documentaries etc. So I'm not sure how important out-right "ownership" is (if such a thing will even exist in our DRM-esque future). The technology to support it however will be trivial and may not require lots of storage (think valve-steam)...

Another poster mentioned satellite and cable as forms of distribution. Its there today. I can go to my time-warner box, pay $4 and get a move. This is a valid mechanism and as long as it can support 1080p and lots of content, I dont see why this wont "win". BTW - this concept has been around for over a decade (the "killer app" for broadband). Its now becoming a reality as the technology to economically allow transportation, decoding and display is now here.

On another note, my PS3 arrives tomorrow Looking forward to unleashing 1080p!
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I've been giving the "ownership" concept some thought also. My thoughts on this are that there is a quite a difference between the "need" for ownership when comparing say music vs movies. You're much more likely to find people having music collections, but only a small % of the market "collects" movies. There will also be cases of buying movies. I have ~300 music CDs, but I only own about 20 movies (many of which I bought based on initial excitement of DVD). This is probably typical.

So, out of all the movies that you watch, you may only "re-watch" 5% of those (made up that number, but my point is that it is small). With a subscription based service there is nothing stopping you re-watching your favorite films/music-performances/sport-games/documentaries etc. So I'm not sure how important out-right "ownership" is (if such a thing will even exist in our DRM-esque future). The technology to support it however will be trivial and may not require lots of storage (think valve-steam)...

Another poster mentioned satellite and cable as forms of distribution. Its there today. I can go to my time-warner box, pay $4 and get a move. This is a valid mechanism and as long as it can support 1080p and lots of content, I dont see why this wont "win". BTW - this concept has been around for over a decade (the "killer app" for broadband). Its now becoming a reality as the technology to economically allow transportation, decoding and display is now here.

On another note, my PS3 arrives tomorrow Looking forward to unleashing 1080p!
I don't think a typical cable box is going to be able to support Dolby TrueHD, uncompressed audio and all that jazz though. I'm not sure how they'd address that, or maybe they have already? 50% of the HD experience is the HD audio. The bandwidth would have to be very high to support it.
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I don't think a typical cable box is going to be able to support Dolby TrueHD, uncompressed audio and all that jazz though. I'm not sure how they'd address that, or maybe they have already? 50% of the HD experience is the HD audio. The bandwidth would have to be very high to support it.
agreed. I have not researched the max bitrate that cable will do, but it may very well be limited to lower-bitrate 720p/1080i content.

Personal prediction: Netlflix + Xbox/PS3 and AppleTV will be the main players. What about blockbuster? What exclusivity deals will come about?
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I don't think a typical cable box is going to be able to support Dolby TrueHD, uncompressed audio and all that jazz though. I'm not sure how they'd address that, or maybe they have already? 50% of the HD experience is the HD audio. The bandwidth would have to be very high to support it.
That's true, but I believe it will be cheaper and more practical for satellite companies to upgrade their hardware than say an ISP. ISPs have to contend with aging wired/fiber networks and limited capacity. All a satellite provider has to do is replace a few satellites and send up a few more. It will still be an expensive project but much more realistic than rebuilding our nation's telecom backbone.

Once the satellites are in place, it's simply a matter of providing set-top boxes to the end user with storage capacity, disk burning (optional) capabilities, and surround sound. You can buy a decent DVD player/5.1 set for under $200 now, so it shouldn't be outrageously expensive to provide 5.1 in a satellite receiver.
 
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agreed. I have not researched the max bitrate that cable will do, but it may very well be limited to lower-bitrate 720p/1080i content.

Personal prediction: Netlflix + Xbox/PS3 and AppleTV will be the main players. What about blockbuster? What exclusivity deals will come about?
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Blockbusters jumps on the digital download bandwagon.

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That's true, but I believe it will be cheaper and more practical for satellite companies to upgrade their hardware than say an ISP. ISPs have to contend with aging wired/fiber networks and limited capacity. All a satellite provider has to do is replace a few satellites and send up a few more. It will still be an expensive project but much more realistic than rebuilding our nation's telecom backbone.

Once the satellites are in place, it's simply a matter of providing set-top boxes to the end user with storage capacity, disk burning (optional) capabilities, and surround sound. You can buy a decent DVD player/5.1 set for under $200 now, so it shouldn't be outrageously expensive to provide 5.1 in a satellite receiver.
Unless.....the satellite/cable boxes pass off the audio decoding to the receiver. Either way it's expensive and complicated. lol
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Unless.....the satellite/cable boxes pass off the audio decoding to the receiver. Either way it's expensive and complicated. lol
This should be do-able, right? The cable-box today can output I2S/SPDIF to the receiver. So issues such as A/V synch are already handled today and the audio decoding is performed by the receiver.

Regarding bandwidth, my previous comment, I meant satellite. I know that cable can handle bandwidth with buffering to easily handle a 1080p bitstream.

Audio bitstreams are miniscule in terms of bit-rate compared to audio. Where exactly do you see the issue?
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No, I dislike Sony because of the PS3. They put BR in the PS3 to win the format war, which drove up the cost. Then they were so arrogant about the PS3 because of the lead the PS2 had/has they thought the price was fine. The tech in the box was worth the price yes, but it was to much for a game console.
the format war alone could drive up prices.
I'm sure winning the format war wasn't the only reason to put blu ray in there.
also isn't the ps3 selling just fine right now?
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I have seen some pretty big Sony / Blu Ray fanboys but Elmikethemike tops them all, and by a LARGE margine. Do you just search the web trying to find Sony/BR news???


Get a life.....These news articles are getting old to all of us. This is OCN....the day you can OVERCLOCK(.net) your PS3 then you can post. Until then leave the crappy console news on Gametrailers.

/rant

Now I am off to play something quality on a real machine
you do know that the topic of this thread is not about the ps3 right?

so if you are going to complain about BR and HD talk not belonging here then why are you brining the ps3 and consoles into this?

also I understand that you claim that consoles don't belong on here cause this is overclock.net and it only talks about overclocking right?

http://www.overclock.net/xbox/

http://www.overclock.net/playstation/

http://www.overclock.net/nintendo/

that's just for consoles and not counting the other stuff that doesn't belong on overclock.net.

so my dear friend who has a say as to what belongs and doesn't belong when do you plan to remove those forums from here?




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Please, all of you shut up now.

I vote to ban all console-related news threads.

ok lets say your vote passes and admin approves it and the mods enforce it. this thread will still be here so what are you trying to achieve, or did you not read what the thread was about?


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They should ban console garbage from an overclocking/elitist site.

Last I saw you, nor your precious dvd player fit into either category.
as stated above if it was banned this thread would still be here. once you learn to read what this thread was about you would see it is just as console related as DVD's hard drives, cpu's and gpu's are.
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This is payback for the billions a lot of companies lost to the DVD-Forum in royalties. It's probably why the BDA tried so hard in the first place.

That R4v3N fellow...he's wrong on so many levels that I'm not even going to waste my time saying anything in response. I just wish I could filter the posts I read in threads.
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