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http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2265570,00.asp

"Nvidia's naming conventions are a mess and only confuse customers (already a big problem in the graphics market)"

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Not Just Half a G92

One of our favorite graphics cards of the last six months, the GeForce 8800 GT, is based on Nvidia's G92 chip. So is the higher-end, new version of the GeForce 8800 GTS. That chip has 128 stream processor units (though only 112 are enabled in the 8800 GT).

We mention this because when we tell you the G94 chip at the heart of the GeForce 9600 GT has 64 stream processors, and that the texture address units were cut from 64 to 32, that this chip can't accurately be described as "half a G92" even though it seems like that on the surface. There's still a 256-bit memory interface, for starters. The VP2 video processing engine is in there. And with a higher core and shader clocks, the effect of the reduced number of units is somewhat diminished. Also, recall that the nearest older sibling to the GeForce 9600 GT, the 8800 GT, doesn't have all the G92 chip's functional units enabled. A comparison of some modern mid-range graphics cards' speeds and feeds looks something like this:









A new sub $200 hero
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Theres a few glaring problems with this review.

First off, they used a 256MB (3850) vs 512MB (9600GT) card. Of course the card with double the video memory is going to perform better at higher resolutions. That's a given.

Secondly, the card they used to compare comes factory overclocked. Then they tested it against a reference clocked HD3850. They should have found the percentage of OC for the 9600GT for both memory and core, and then applied that same percent OC to the HD3850.

Lastly, that card isn't sub 200 dollar range. It's 200-220. Meaning once it hits the shelves with price gouging, it will run at least 220, making it a bad buy as you can get an HD3870 or even find 8800GTs for similar monies.

I just fail to see the relevance of this card. You can get an 8800GS or 8800GT for the same or little more money and have the same or better performance from the aforementioned cards. Seems as this card is kind of a lose, lose situation for Nvidia. Not because the card sucks, it's good for a mid range card. They just need to lower the price points and then it will be a GREAT card as an alternative to the HD3850 which owns the midrange segment right now as it can be had for well under $200.

Also, I bet if you took the HD3850 512MB at the above OC method and compared it to that 9600GT the results would be almost identical. That's why I say it could be a great alternative to those who prefer Nvidia or have an SLI board and don't want/can't use the HD3850 to it's fullest.
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Seeing as the price of the HD3870 just dropped, they may be better off comparing the 9600GT to it instead.

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Agreed, but once you OC the HD3870 it's going to take the lead. Also, it's $185 on the Egg right now. So it will most likely cost less, and perform better.

As I said, they need to sell these cheaper for it to be a wise buy at this point in time.
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What voice did when he saw ExtremeTech compare an overclocked 9600GT with 512MB of vram to a stock clocked 3850 with only 256MB of vram:



However, that being said. I do agree with their comments on Nvidia's naming conventions. I mean, most people on this forum are quite familiar with them and would know how powerful one is over another by its model number as well as the suffix on the end of it (gt, gs, gts etc.). But to the average joe they're probably as confusing as hell. ATI's naming convention makes a lot more sense. I can only hope Nvidia follows suit.
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wich means 9600 runs full throttle on it's reduced specs
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I think theres more to this then you realize. Some people either don't read, or just ignore.

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Also, recall that the nearest older sibling to the GeForce 9600 GT, the 8800 GT, doesn't have all the G92 chip's functional units enabled.
The $200-$220 prices being said are coming from best buy employees who are talking about the BFG 9600GT OC. Everyone knows A)best buy isn't the place to get a deal on video cards, especially new releases and B) BFG products are usually a tad overpriced since your paying for 'their' overclock. Also, remember this isn't a G92 GPU, it's G94.

People keep knocking this card for one reason or another and they're not even released yet. I think this card has alot more to offer then most think.




~R
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1.Nvidia releases 9600GT (today)
2.The 8800GS ceases to exsist and get's EOL'd (probably very, very soon)
3.Ati lowers 3850 and 3870 SP (yesterday)
4.The beast 9800GX2 arrives mid-March (11th?)
5.Where or where is the 9800GTX?

I'm glad I have my 8800GT
I think I will wait a year to see what shakes out
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Certainly not a 100% fair review, but at least Extremetech did point out most of the flaws itself, rather than letting users be misled (unless they don't read and just look at charts). Bottom line, this card and the 8800GS are going to provide some much-needed competition on the sub-$200 front.

Me? My X1900XT is still doing me proud. I'm beginning to feel the squeeze a 256MB version instead of a 512MB version, but I'm sure I can wait until this summer to buy a new card. See what the HD4k and GeForce 9 series have to offer.
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$179 for multiple 9600GT 512MB's at newegg:

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Thats not bad at all...


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