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I just thought of something... you're going to need 3 switches. One to plug the server and the other switches in.


-------------------------------------------------server
Internet > firewall > router > switch 1> switch 2 > clients
--------------------------------------------------switch 3 > clients
Nope. The server can be connected to any switch or router in the network. It could actually be before the router if he wanted to configure it that way (and may need to since he'll be hosting a webpage from it). IMO optimal setup would be exactly like you have up until the router. The router would feed server, and all both switches on an individual connection. Your mehod of putting switch 1 > switch 2 > switch 3 over complicates the network and adds more hops than is necessary. You're thinking of trunking switches, which is normally only done in an IDF where you won't have a router present.
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Nope. The server can be connected to any switch or router in the network. It could actually be before the router if he wanted to configure it that way (and may need to since he'll be hosting a webpage from it). IMO optimal setup would be exactly like you have up until the router. The router would feed server, and all both switches on an individual connection. Your mehod of putting switch 1 > switch 2 > switch 3 over complicates the network and adds more hops than is necessary. You're thinking of trunking switches, which is normally only done in an IDF where you won't have a router present.

I think you misread the diagram. The third switch is not plugged into the second switch. The second and third swtich are plugged into the first. From my experience enterprise class routers only have one Ethernet port, thus hes going to either have to use a hub or a switch. He will HAVE to daisy chain the switches in some form or fashion.

So the choices are:

Plugging switch 2 into switch 1

This wont have the expense of the third switch, but you'd probably make up for it in cable costs. As well as forcing yourself to buy larger than 10 port switches (12 port min) and limiting expansion.

Plugging switch 2 and 3 into switch 1

This way you only have to run two Ethernet cables out the the clients and have the switches much closer to the clients. As well if the company ever needs to add 10 more clients, no problem, buy a new switch (switch 4) and plug it into switch 1.

Oh and by the way the server being plugged into switch 1 was merely for simplicity sake, it could be run on any of the switches. However, servers are generally located near network equipment making it a logical choice to have it closer to the router, firewall, thus the first switch. However, it will probably need to run behind the router for the RDP and other network services to run optimally. Running it as a web server will be of no problem behind the router, simply forward port 80 to the server. I run both my web servers this way.
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I think you misread the diagram. The third switch is not plugged into the second switch. The second and third swtich are plugged into the first. From my experience enterprise class routers only have one Ethernet port, thus hes going to either have to use a hub or a switch. He will HAVE to daisy chain the switches in some form or fashion.
erm.... I think you're using some really old equipment there bud. The 40port Cisco routers i used in my CCNA classes had 1 uplink port, 1 fiber uplink port, 2 serial connections (for daisy chains) and ofcourse 40 ethernet ports.... As long as he's using unmanaged switches (no reason not to) any\\all switches can feed directly from an ethernet port on the router. It'll really just depend on what eqiupment he gets what his budget is. Just wanted to point out a 3rd switch is not necessary as long as the router has enough ports to support both switches and the server.

I see why you were thinking that way now tho .

Also great point about needing the server behind the router for RDP. good stuff.
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I just thought of something... you're going to need 3 switches. One to plug the server and the other switches in.


-------------------------------------------------server
Internet > firewall > router > switch 1> switch 2 > clients
--------------------------------------------------switch 3 > clients
wouldn't it make sense to go:

internet > firewall > router > switch 1 > server/clients?

unless its a small switch...
Honestly, I know almost nothing about networking, but I do know that 17" monitors are going to save you money instead of 19"s

seriously, why do they need those extra 2 inches?
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Hey guys, sorry for not replying... been real busy.. 14 hour day today... I wired the whole building today with Cat5 to each cubicle. I never realized how tedious that actually is. The people who had done wiring before me did NOT do it to code, and there were existing ethernet cables strung right over flourescent lighting and zip tied to power cables... strangely, it all worked -- maybe its shielded well.

Anyhow, I got the tracking #'s for all the stuff today.. For those of you interested in what equipment I got, check this link:
http://support.dell.com/support/orde...Value=82368118

I only ordered 4 thin clients and monitors at this time so I can see which thin client I like better. I ordered 2 different kinds. I am going to order the rest of the stuff in about 30 days.

Anyhow, that's about it for now!
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wow dude subscribed. hands down the kind of thing every youngster here should be motivated by. computers can totally be used to make people's lives way better, and we are the harbingers of justice...i mean technology to the masses

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Wow this is interesting!
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Looks brilliant except for the WAP. Is it needed? I'd really try to cut that out of the build if at all possible. WAPs are a business network no-no unless absolutely necessary. If you need to do it i'd reccomend using a cheap wireless router rather than a WAP. This will give you mo ability to keep it secured, such as MAC filtering.
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