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So Nvidia has to either buy AMD or Via to compete in the x86 world now...

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Intel should just start making GPUS lol and we would see cool stuff like this

Intel 889GT With hyper threading technology lol
post #23 of 34
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Isn't XF faster on Vista compared to SLI? That wasn't a fan boy post or an attack at Nvidia, just asking

Like others have stated, all Nforce have over Intel chipsets is SLI. I can see why they are so reluctant to keep a tight leash on it. But then you also have to compromise if you want something in return.

You don't make someone your enemy then 3 weeks later ask them for a critical bit of programming, it just doesn't work like that

Either way Nvidia lose tbh. They either give up SLI licensing and lose Nforce sales, or they keep it and try and live without CSI.
Crossfire does scale better, yes.

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Yeah, but more people are just going to go with CrossFire (which is just as fast as SLI now a days) because they are not going to forfeit their Core 2.
Yeah no matter which happens nVidia is going to lose allot of money to Intel. Then Intel will be entering the graphics market with the SLI technology obtained from Intel in that trade they did a few months back. Probably try to drive AMD out of graphics then CPU at the same time. Eventually leading to a total computer chip monopoly in the desktop and server market for mid-high-enthusiast by Intel. Once Intel enters graphics it wouldn't be a half bad idea for nVidia to join with AMD+ATI, since nVidia has some of Intel's CPU tech plus tons of money it would be a pheasable way of fighting Intel. Not just in GPU and CPU but in every other market they are in as well.
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Nvidia should play it smart... Giving Intel SLi will prolly decrease their nforce sales but it will absolutley increase their card sales!
Don't forget the licensing fees Nvidia would charge. They may lose out in mobo sells but it wouldn't hurt their profits much.

If Nvidia buddied up to Intel enough they may even be able to negotiate a partnership on Intel's upcoming GPU tech, which would be great for Nvidia.

In my opinion it's a good idea for Nvidia to stay on Intel's good side right now. They are turning insane profits off their processor line, they have a product in the works which will directly compete with an Nvidia product (GPU), they already have a product on the market which is doing great against an Nvidia product (mobo chipset), and they have the revenue to do pretty much whatever they want. Intel is huge and diversified...Nvidia is big and offers 2 major products. There really isn't much Nvidia can do to out-maneuver Intel in the marketplace, so a friendly partnership is the safest course.
 
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Nvidia never refused SLI on intel motherboard.
Intel should buy the chip from Nvidia if it wants to input in its mobo.

Intel wants the tech free of charge because they know they can put a big pressure on them.

Nvidia is their biggest competitor now, Intel is going to release enthusiast graphic board in the near future. It would be a complete non sense (business point of view not consumer of course) to kill their chipset market and allow them to share knoledge in multi gpus market).
There is nothing good for long term (short term yes) if Nvidia lose motherboard market.
They like AMD because they are weak now, also they don't want them to think about a partnership with nvidia.
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Making money for SLI licence is short mind thinking.
They invest a lot of research and development in chipset area. It helps the whole company for a lot of other developments not only desktop computers.
Playing the licence card is dangerous but as long as they have a share in the chipset they can innovate and hope to deliver better products.
A company which depends on only one field is really dangerous especially for big size company.

It's not because Nvidia chipset sucks now that they will always be.
Don't forget that Nvidia ambition is not only to bring SLI, it is also to win mobo market over intel.

Think like Nvidia CEO. What happen if Nivida licence SLI for intel, then lose motherboard chipset market and then Intel release a strong graphic card range and DROP SLI licence on intel mobo!!!
Would you trust Intel?
    
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Go Intel Get that Sli License..
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There is only one field where Intel is not number one.
And this is dedicated graphic cards.
This is their only weakness…for now.
If Nivdia buys AMD, even though Phenom sucks against Core 2 it will still be a lot better than to have AMD cpu solution than Intel with its current graphic technology.
For video game matter: GPU>CPU
It would boost AMD sales and it would save Nvidia. AMD would receive a lot of cash for CPU development.

Also no need to cry for Intel they would have the HUGE professional and average joe market for them.
At the same time where Intel will be ready to propose full solution (chipset-GPU-CPU), AMD-Nvidia/ATI would be able to do the same.
IMO this is the only way for Nividia and Intel is well aware of this threat…
    
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Originally Posted by Natadiem View Post
Making money for SLI licence is short mind thinking.
They invest a lot of research and development in chipset area. It helps the whole company for a lot of other developments not only desktop computers.
Playing the licence card is dangerous but as long as they have a share in the chipset they can innovate and hope to deliver better products.
A company which depends on only one field is really dangerous especially for big size company.

It's not because Nvidia chipset sucks now that they will always be.
Don't forget that Nvidia ambition is not only to bring SLI, it is also to win mobo market over intel.

Think like Nvidia CEO. What happen if Nivida licence SLI for intel, then lose motherboard chipset market and then Intel release a strong graphic card range and DROP SLI licence on intel mobo!!!
Would you trust Intel?
Which will hurt them more...losing market share to Intel while still making at least a portion of the revenue, or direct, unfriendly competition with a much larger company?

It's a bad situation to be in, there's no denying it. If Nvidia was able to attack on more fronts (CPU, network, etc.) they'd have a better chance. It's just that Intel is so big they can take a loss in the GPU branch and just offset the cost with their chipset branch. AMD is proof that it doesn't pay to make Intel an enemy.

The good news for Nvidia is they are much stronger financially than AMD was when C2D hit the market. They can weather price wars and technological arms races better than AMD did as well. They might survive an all-out war with Intel. We'll just have to see what happens.
 
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post #30 of 34
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CSI what ever that is.
CSI (Common System Interface) is the new data bus, intended to replace FSB, that will be used for upcoming Nehalem CPU's. Basically CSI is Intel's version of AMD's Hyper Transport technolgy. Failing to provide details to Nvidia about their upcoming data bus will make it very difficult for them to manufactuer an apporpriate chipset for the new CPU's.
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