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I don't think theres anything bad about Vista.

Who cares if you loose 10 FPS from 200. The human eye can only see like 60FPS and anything above that looks the same.
I don't think that's a true fact. About the 60FPS max for the human eye.

I can tell the differences from 80FPS, 70FPS and 60FPS.

Everyone's different.
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Every version of vista (except basic I believe) is available in both 32 and 64 bit versions. I currently am running vista business 64bit. I have not had major driver problems and it runs fast, just as fast as XP 32 bit I had on here before. I would say if you have an up to date computer, with at least 2gb of ram throw vista 64 on there. But I do not feel that it would be worth it to install a 32bit version of vista. I have 4 x 1Gb sticks of ram and it uses about 1.5 Gb at idle. Not more not less. When I play a game it goes up to ~2.5Gb.

So, if you have >2Gb of ram and an up to date processor get vista 64 bit
If you have less stick with XP 32 bit

The eye candy in vista is a refreshing change to the utilitarian nature of XP IMO
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Tai, you are one of few, stick with XP lol
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Sounds like you haven't disable a feature called UAC (User Account Control). This feature is the box that always come up when you open a program and such.

To turn it off:

Start > Control Panel > User Accounts > Turn User Account Control on or off > Uncheck box > Ok > Restart
Yes, Thank you!! I was reading a little about that but haven't decided whether to turn it off or not. What are the benefits to UAC, aside from the safety features? I don't want to put my friends PC in any harms way, but I did sell him on Vista opposed to XP for future proofing reasons.....what I'm getting at is that I don't want him to wish he bought XP instead if Vista is such a pain in the a**, if disabling UAC doesen't get him in trouble later on down the road, I will disable it immediately.
    
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Yes, Thank you!! I was reading a little about that but haven't decided whether to turn it off or not. What are the benefits to UAC, aside from the safety features? I don't want to put my friends PC in any harms way, but I did sell him on Vista opposed to XP for future proofing reasons.....what I'm getting at is that I don't want him to wish he bought XP instead if Vista is such a pain in the a**, if disabling UAC doesen't get him in trouble later on down the road, I will disable it immediately.
Turn it off. It is really a hassle to have on. I really don't see any benefit from it.

-Clicks FireFox icon
-UAC: You are about to open FireFox. Y/N
-Yes; FireFox opens
-Closes FireFox
-Clicks on FireFox icon
-UAC: You are about to open FireFox. Y/N

It gets really annoying, lol.

Now, if you downloaded a virus and opened it, that's a different story.

Well, XP doesn't have it, and Vista is said to have better security over XP. It's safe IMHO to be turned off.
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Service Pack 1 for Vista is coming out soon, which means that many of the potential problems that users have encountered so far should be fixed when it's installed. If the pros and cons are more or less balanced for you right now, that should be reason enough to choose Vista. Take TaiDinh's instructions regarding the UAC feature; if that feature is a last stand against a virus or something that's messing up you're computer, you're pretty much screwed anyway. its just an annoyance. you're better off going with the OS that's definitely going to be supported and updated for at least a few more years.

32bit refers to the width of the basic binary code that the OS is written with, which is used to access the memory. 32 bits means 32 zeroes or ones. if every bit is a 1, the maximum number is 2^31 + 2^30 + 2^29...+...+2^0, or approximately 4GB. since a certain amount of the maximum 4GB recognized memory is set aside for system resources and stuff, you only have about 3 GB of usable RAM in XP or about 3.25 GB in Vista. With a 64bit operating system, the maxium number becomes 2^63 + 2^62 + 2^61...+...+2^0, or about 17 million terabytes. obviously that's an unimaginable amount of RAM; basically RAM is limited only by hardware capabilities in 64-bit systems.
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That's hilarious



2. OK, then when the support ceases, that means what exactly?? Viruses will be easier to install on my system?

3. That makes sense, and the 64 bit XP basically stinks mainly due to compatibility issues?

4. That was what I seen as well.
When support stops = they no longer release updates for it. Thats what I remember from readings anyhow. Yes XP64 driver compatibility sucks the rear end in massive quantities.

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I don't think that's a true fact. About the 60FPS max for the human eye.

I can tell the differences from 80FPS, 70FPS and 60FPS.

Everyone's different.
I prefer 100 FPS because of the fact that the Source Engine will give me 100 tickrate only if my computer produces 100 FPS. Other than that, as long as my FPS doesnt dip below 50 - I dont care what they are !
    
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Awesome guys, Thanks!! That clears up just about everything on my end....now on to my other issue I'm having. My boss wants me to build him a PC for his office which runs a software called Cabnetware. The software "gurus" (I say that term lightly with those guys) there say that they only use XP with Cabnetware as Vista has been giving them troubles, let alone Vista 64 bit. They recommend that he use XP, which means he will buy XP right now, and when support runs out for XP in a year, he will be buying Vista (spending more money).

He wants the fastest PC he can get for multitasking (Check this thread if your curious of what I have recommended for him) , but if he uses XP 32 bit, that 4th gig of RAM does him little to no good other than futureproofing for Vista. By then, he may just opt for a new PC anyway. So, I'm in a wierd position right now on this and would really like to figure this out as it has both me and my boss scratching our heads and I want to give him a definitive answer. We want Vista, but we need the software to run properly as well. I guess I know my answer, but I would love any thoughts on this other than double booting, as he is definitely no computer guru.
    
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I was hesitating about start using Vista ~6 weeks ago. I was using XP Pro SP2 and Fedora 8 till then. The thing I worried about was about driver support, but I was lucky, it even ran my wireless pci card at first start (but it was a bit problematic). I updated the driver and all going good since 6 weeks. Most surprising thing for me was I got 400 more points at 3dmark06 with Vista I recommend you if you have the hardware for Vista now, first check for driver support, and may be a little search on the net, if people come up with issues with Vista. Also if there is signed drivers, Vista update find them for you. I'm with 2 gigabytes of ram, and no problem at gaming or using 32bit programs so far. But 4 gigs make it better I'm sure. Vista doesn't look slower than XP to me. With a bit of tweaking, it's as fast as XP and more comfortable I think. I hope these impressions help you
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UAC is one of the more annoying aspects of Vista. Its protection capabilities (or lack of) have been discussed all over the web by people much more informed than I am. In my opinion it does nothing more than train the average user to blindly authorize prompts. You get to a point where you're so tired of seeing the stupid popup, you just click it without bothering to read it. At that point, UAC is a failure.

I've never heard of anyone having issues with UAC disabled.


Edit: the RAM issue is tricky. On one hand, you'll get a little over 3 gigs of useable RAM and future proofing down the road. On the other, you're paying for something he may never use.

With the current price of RAM, I'd get the 4 gigs anyway. He will be short by approximately 800 megs, but it won't cost much and may add to the resell value later if he does decide to replace the rig instead of going with Vista 64. He gains future proofing or extra resell value for the cost of a stick of RAM...a fair price IMO.
 
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