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You actually made a thread about this. Trust me you'll be proven horribly wrong here. I'm actually subscribed to this one to watch.
I have at least 8 different links with tech specs regarding this specifically. I did my homework.. So to any who disagree, bring it on.

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Oh and I like how you added torque into your car equation now. You kind of forgot about that one last time.
You read my post in the other topic before I edited it. Check the edit time to your post time. It was before you posted in that previous thread.


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P.S. Some one PLEASE remind the OP that things on paper don't always translate to real world performance. That's why these bandwidth numbers are always calculated to a "theoretical" amount.
Now your starting to sound harsher then your last post...
But regardless, the 9600GT (as an example) puts out 57GB/s.
Show me ANYTHING that says thats theoretical. Thats like saying the 9600GT has theoretically 64 shader processors.. boggle
What your card pushes out it's rear end IS the real word performace you speak of. I don't see how you can't grasp the concept.
post #12 of 32
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
And thats why the 256bit 8800GTS still rapes the 512bit 2900XT and Pro
Do you people even read my posts?
I said memory bandwidth IE (example) the 9600GT pushes out 57GB/s... Thats memory bandwidth.
I never once said in my post anything about bus width.

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Memory bandwidth only determines how good a card can be, not how good it actually is. Its all about the architecture
Not entirely true. Memory bandwidth (See example above, not refering to bus width) is what your card can push out it's rear end to your monitor. That directly relates to performance in games, etc... It's the only bottleneck on your video card that matters. If you look at this link, you will see what I am talking about. Do none of you look at the proof of my claims before you post?
Source

You will notice, the higher the performing card, the more GB/s are going through the memory bandwidth.

EDIT: I edited my orginal post to include to 'apparent' inferior ATI refrences stated by the previous posters.

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post #13 of 32
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Originally Posted by jinja_ninja View Post
I've seen three virtually identical posts of Relic's GPU/Bandwidth/Car/Valves/Cylinders/Streams/Exhausts/Steering Wheel/Alternator analogies.

Please, just stop!

I'm trying to help people and the community make more informed decisions. Thats why I made it it's own thread. So I don't have to keep repeating myself which I do apologize for.

But again, I didn't post this because I like typing with a splitting headache. I want to contribute to the community. If you don't approve, then by all means, place me on ignore so I can continue to help others. No offense, but I really do have a bad hangover. Your post actually made me laugh though... Cuz it was true... heh


~R
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by relic2279 View Post
I'm trying to help people and the community make more informed decisions. Thats why I made it it's own thread. So I don't have to keep repeating myself which I do apologize for.

But again, I didn't post this because I like typing with a splitting headache. I want to contribute to the community. If you don't approve, then by all means, place me on ignore so I can continue to help others. No offense, but I really do have a bad hangover. Your post actually made me laugh though... Cuz it was true... heh


~R
Well, I have a legitimate question for you then. I'm going to get a new video card soon to replace this crap 8600gt. I'm split between 8800GT and 9600GT. The 8800 is at 200 bucks, and the 9600 is at 180. On that chart you posted, they have the same memory bandwidth, but when it comes to performance, the 8800GT always beats the 9600. Why is that?

And which would you recommend? hehe.
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Well, to use your "Car" analogy, If I have a massively powerful engine, and very little stearing, or no braking, then I am screwed.

Cards have to be balanced much like processors, just the right amount of shaders, bandwidth has to be just right for the price, but not too bad of a bottleneck. If I have an 8600GTS with a 1024 bit memory bus, then is it going to beat 9600 GT with its 256 bit bus? NO!

There is no single item that you can compare to measure performance, if you claim there is they you are immediately and massively wrong. Architectures are different, clock speeds are different, even shaders are not universally the same. come pare a 320 shader ATI card to a 128 shader Nvidia card and you will know what I mean.
    
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Well, to use your "Car" analogy, If I have a massively powerful engine, and very little stearing, or no braking, then I am screwed.
Not if you just wanna go in a straight line.

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Thats good Cyde. Just go by gaming benchmarks, hands on experience, and first hand knowledge. It's always better than buying based on paper specs. Anyone with any PC knowledge can back me up on this.



Thank you! Finally some one else realizing that paper specs mean NOTHING when it comes to the real reason we are all here on OCN: performance.
Thats why I was looking for a 8600gt at least, but it was out of stock when I went to buy my new pc, sadly I had to get the 2600xt... Nvidia Rulez over ATI, more quality and performance!!!
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But regardless, the 9600GT (as an example) puts out 57GB/s.




Woopdee doo Basil...
    
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post #19 of 32
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Do you people even read my posts?
I said memory bandwidth IE (example) the 9600GT pushes out 57GB/s... Thats memory bandwidth.
I never once said in my post anything about bus width.

Keep diggin that hole, bus width is the limiting factor in terms of memory bandwidth, and yes until you get to 256bit it does make a difference, but once you get past 60gb/s it becomes a non factor, when things like shader and texture processing take over, until extremely high resolutions like 2560x1600, which maybe .001% of the gaming population uses, of course as the actual cards get faster we will need more memory bandwidth since we will have cards that can take advantage of it, the next line of video cards from nVidia will most likely be 512bit.

You seem to have been persuaded by AMD's hype that bigger numbers means more power, next thing you're going to be saying is that DX10.1 is a big improvement over DX10.

The only single number you can use to compare video cards would probably be a 3dmark06 GPU score, and even then... Video cards are more complicated now than ever, and its a number of factors like shader processing, texture fill rate, ROPS, core clock, FLOPS, and yes, sometimes memory bandwidth.
    
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The only single number you can use to compare video cards would probably be a 3dmark06 GPU score, and even then... Video cards are more complicated now than ever, and its a number of factors like shader processing, texture fill rate, ROPS, core clock, FLOPS, and yes, sometimes memory bandwidth.
Go by multiple games of different varieties.

Look at the 2900XT, two just made a 3dmark 06 world record, some how they beat 2 x Ultras, clearly way off. Before that, the 8600's outperformed 7900 GT/GS and 7950GT's in 3DMark06, but were pounded by them in games (except the 7900GS it was usually better than the 8600GTS).
    
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