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I would almost bet now that its your mount....I use a razor blade and spread a super thin layer of TIM on the IHS and block, really work it back and forth and up and down...Then just a tiny dot in the center of the IHS.....Tighten your mounting nuts evenly in a criss cross...I run my springs all the way down as far as they will go.....
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OK. I remounted with a dot Tuniq TX-2 in the center, tightening evenly in a criss-cross pattern until all screws were completely tightened. Temps are still bad.

I would try the spreading method, but I need to find something small enough that it won't constantly bump the capacitors.

Is it possible that my motherboard is still warped from the regular mount set?
Anyone who is using a Pro-Mount; Do you tighten past when it becomes very very resistant to tightening?
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Would 75% isopropyl rubbing alcohol leave a residue that would affect temps?

Edit: I just set my proc back to stock and my tempsare hitting 54°C load. At 2.8ghz and .025v higher I hit 60°C before I shut off the stress test. Any more ideas...?
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post #34 of 71
No it shouldn't matter, I've even used rubbing alcohol when i was out of acetone or de-natured alcohol before, you just have to use a little more elbow grease to get the TIM off...I use a coffee filter so it will be lint free...

I know we have probably gone over a lot of this before...Are you getting a good even TIM spread on the IHS and block after you clamp it down? Does it look evenly spread with no thicker spots of TIM?

Is there something that might be keeping your block from making good contact with the IHS? Like a cap or something..

Does the top of your block feel a little warmer then the room ambient? If it does you are making good contact with the IHS since its picking up heat...

I think you have already shaken the air out of your rad so that shouldn't be the problem...Air in the rad and a bad mount are responsible for 90% of new rigs getting bad temp's...

Does it seem like your getting good flow through your loop? As hard as its been for you to get your temp's down it might be a partially clogged system at some point..The only way to really tell is to break it down and do a bucket flow test through your loop to see what kind of flow you are actually getting...You could have a bad pump or partially clogged rad or block....If you are getting bad flow take one component off at a time till you see where its clogged at...There was one guy here once that was getting terrible temp's and when he took his CPU block off it had a piece of packing peanut in it that was killing his flow...

Did you buy the rad new or used?

I hate to see you having all these problems on a new build, I know it sux when it happens...Don't be discouraged you'll get it going it just takes longer with some rigs...
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Top of the block is a little warm, so I'm probably getting good transfer.

I flipped my case over a couple times and shook it up...but tomorrow I will take it off and shake it. I bought the radiator new from SidewinderComputers.
Tomorrow I will actually detach it and shake it up.
I didn't do it before because I stripped one of the screws out on the radbox and was worried about un-fixing my kink. I'm glad they sent an extra screw Seeing as this is the only feasible thing atm, I really hope this is the problem...if this doesn't help, I'll break down the loop (I've got a nozzle kit laying around here anyway) and test the components. Did your rad ever squeak from the air bubbles while you were bleeding?

Thanks so much for your advice Ira-K!


Edit: Added a pic of how bad my IHS was
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Hey its NP...I cant imagine how frustrated you must be when your first rig goes bad on you like it has...I know I get mad at mine when it starts giving me problems and I know what to look for....

That IHS was cupped pretty bad wasn't it...Are there still deep scratches in it? If it still has deep scratches in it I would go ahead and lap them on out...

Hope your rad is just full of air and a good shaking fixes it..Good Luck....
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Well, I just lapped both my cpu and block and saw almost 10c drop.
E6750 at 3600 1.401v was hitting 50c within a couple of seconds of starting Prime.
Looks like my both my cpu was concave AND my block was concave.
Being new to WC, I probably wasted a lot more time with stuff than someone more experienced. However, lapping still seems pretty easy to me, and I never even touched an LGA 775 until now. Probably spent a total of 15-20 minutes on the cpu, and 15-20 minutes on the block in total.
Started at 600, and then switched to 1500 and was done. Not quite a mirror finish, but got down copper on the cpu all around. Looking at yours, I just would continue to lap it until you get all copper. That way you know you're flat. Right now, I think that center might still be a little low.
But since everything is apart, just get some buckets and do a flow test with the pump and rad and see if you are getting close to normal flow. If so, then you can most likely rule out them.
Have you tried putting a thin layer of paste all over the cpu, almost transparent, and then simply mounting the block and tightening it?
Pull it apart and see if you have transfer of paste to block. If not, there's a problem.

I'll admit to being a newbie with WC, but the rest is standard troubleshooting.

Do you have a stock fan that you can test against maybe also?
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Well, I just lapped both my cpu and block and saw almost 10c drop.
E6750 at 3600 1.401v was hitting 50c within a couple of seconds of starting Prime.
Looks like my both my cpu was concave AND my block was concave.
Being new to WC, I probably wasted a lot more time with stuff than someone more experienced. However, lapping still seems pretty easy to me, and I never even touched an LGA 775 until now. Probably spent a total of 15-20 minutes on the cpu, and 15-20 minutes on the block in total.
Started at 600, and then switched to 1500 and was done. Not quite a mirror finish, but got down copper on the cpu all around. Looking at yours, I just would continue to lap it until you get all copper. That way you know you're flat. Right now, I think that center might still be a little low.
But since everything is apart, just get some buckets and do a flow test with the pump and rad and see if you are getting close to normal flow. If so, then you can most likely rule out them.
Have you tried putting a thin layer of paste all over the cpu, almost transparent, and then simply mounting the block and tightening it?
Pull it apart and see if you have transfer of paste to block. If not, there's a problem.

I'll admit to being a newbie with WC, but the rest is standard troubleshooting.

Do you have a stock fan that you can test against maybe also?
That pic was before I was done lapping. Right now I have all copper Later I will be lapping a little more if I can find some 1500 grit paper....

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Hey its NP...I cant imagine how frustrated you must be when your first rig goes bad on you like it has...I know I get mad at mine when it starts giving me problems and I know what to look for....

That IHS was cupped pretty bad wasn't it...Are there still deep scratches in it? If it still has deep scratches in it I would go ahead and lap them on out...

Hope your rad is just full of air and a good shaking fixes it..Good Luck....
k so I emptied the rad of air and my temps haven't dropped at all...I did get a little air out...but no temp drop??

Maybe I need to lap the FuZion too? Or is the bow oriented a certain way so that I might have switched it around when I opened the block?

Maybe my pump is going bad...my temps gradually get worse and worse.

Going to remount with a thin layer now..
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You can lap the Fuzion if you want to, take it out of the frame so it will lay flat..But unless its really scratched up or something I wouldn't bother, your problem is something more then that anyway...Your ambients aren't just really high are they?

Man I don't know something isn't right...You can always flow test it with buckets to see what kind of flow your getting...The pump could be going bad I guess...If you bucket test it do it with just the pump and if its OK add the Fuzion and if its OK add the rad....

If your flow is all right its going to be something with the mount, thats all I can really think of...

When I bucket test I silicone a plastic barb into the side of a bucket at the bottom, let it cure a couple of days before you use it...Set it up a little higher then the pump so you will gravity feed the pump a little, it will throw your flow rate off a little but nothing to worry about, just don't set it 3 or 4 feet above the pump just a foot or so... Then just pump it from one bucket to the next and time it...Heavy 5 gallon buckets are good if you have any..If the pump is up to spec's then just add one component at a time and see whats going on....Just watch it and don't run your pump dry or you can crap out your pump...
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You can lap the Fuzion if you want to, take it out of the frame so it will lay flat..But unless its really scratched up or something I wouldn't bother, your problem is something more then that anyway...Your ambients aren't just really high are they?

Man I don't know something isn't right...You can always flow test it with buckets to see what kind of flow your getting...The pump could be going bad I guess...If you bucket test it do it with just the pump and if its OK add the Fuzion and if its OK add the rad....

If your flow is all right its going to be something with the mount, thats all I can really think of...

When I bucket test I silicone a plastic barb into the side of a bucket at the bottom, let it cure a couple of days before you use it...Set it up a little higher then the pump so you will gravity feed the pump a little, it will throw your flow rate off a little but nothing to worry about, just don't set it 3 or 4 feet above the pump just a foot or so... Then just pump it from one bucket to the next and time it...Heavy 5 gallon buckets are good if you have any..If the pump is up to spec's then just add one component at a time and see whats going on....Just watch it and don't run your pump dry or you can crap out your pump...
My ambients are only ~75F, so that shouldn't be the problem. Just remounted with a thin layer AS5 and it helped a little. All it did was take longer to heat up, but it still got to 60..

I remember my pump used to go on and off and on again several times at first when I turned the computer on in the morning, especially when it was cold. Is this a sign of a bad pump?

this is so frustrating...all things are pointing towards the pump at this point. I used to get high temps too with my other radiator, not this bad, but they did get worse and worse also.
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