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I don't see why anyone is surprised or disapointed. The G92 is still a very recent chip and it's quite a bit better than the old G80. Why would anyone waste so much time developing such a GPU, just to release a successor 6 months later? These are the days of 12-18 month production cycles.

It's the semantics. If the new 8800GT and GTS had been called 9800GT and GTS, I suspect there would be much less outrage.
The G92 isn't anything new in terms of features. It is evolutionary, not revolutionary. G92 is a die shrunk G80, similar to Intel's Presler 65nm shrinking of their 90nm Smithfield core. All their R&D in the G92 was in manufacturing processes, not processor features. These 65nm manufacturing features will be carried over to any new GPU's.
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It's not just a die-shrink. There are more texture units, fewer ROPs, better memory compression algorithims, ect.

It's still very evolutionary, not revolutionary, this is true. However, who said every new gen of cards had to be a revolution in terms of features? There is no significant new DX or OpenGL version, nor major new, must have, technology (like DDR, or unified shaders were) to drive such a shift.

There are just as many feature changes from the G80 to G92 as there were between the 6800Ultra and a 7900GTX.
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Ahh the fan boys bashing the other brand and so on.
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Many have already said what Im about to say right now... Even though that its the same G92 it doesn't mean its the same as the GTS G92 but over clocked, just look at the performance difference between 8800gt and 8800gts 512, Im sure nVidia pushed the G92 to the limit in their 9series, expect raw performance, even though its same core, btw these are all rumors, with no official confirmation nor the actual benchmarks, just wait for those and then complain!
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This card better not come out over $500. If so it would be a shame...and the 3870X2 would be the way to go.
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I went from nvidai flagship to ati flagship, and I honestly can't tell much of a difference with vsync on. However I do score 4000 more points in 3dmark06 with ATI as I did with nvidia with the same cpu and cpu speed, with about 150 less bucks spent on getting the ATI card. They both still use a single pcix slot, and for a lot that is all that matters. Boo on Nvidia for passing the g92 on as the next series of gpu's. From what I saw the ati solution was faster than almost all games compared to the ultra other than crysis. I would account that towards nvidia optimization. Not to mention ATI cards don't fall off the face of the planet in performance once it's in vista.
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It's an updated version of the G92. The G92 core has a lot of potential, especially since it is 65nm. I see no problem with the 9800GTX and GX2 using an updated G92, since that core is very nice and has room to update.
I don't see much more potential in the G92. Just looking at the proposed specs of the 9800GTX it's not what it really was supposed to be.

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=88&pgno=4

Look at the very last line in this chart:
G100
55nm
DX10.1
256 SP
512bit
GDDR4, etc, etc ...

Either Nvidia is having issues going from 65nm to 55nm or they are laying low (holding back) till they see what AMD's next offering is.
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^ That is very outdated and anyone could have started that rumor. I doubt it was NVIDIA.

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Many have already said what Im about to say right now... Even though that its the same G92 it doesn't mean its the same as the GTS G92 but over clocked, just look at the performance difference between 8800gt and 8800gts 512, Im sure nVidia pushed the G92 to the limit in their 9series, expect raw performance, even though its same core, btw these are all rumors, with no official confirmation nor the actual benchmarks, just wait for those and then complain!
The 8800GT and GTS G92 at the same clocks perform within a few percent of each other, and the difference is down to the number of shader processors that are enabled.

There is nothing to suggest that the G92 in the 9800GTX will have any significant new feature. It's already known that it will have the same 128 shaders. At best they will include a the few minor tweaks to get full DX 10.1 support, but I wouldn't count on even that.

Clock speeds are the main difference. The 8800GTS 512's reference clocks are 650MHz ROP, 1625MHz shader, and 972MHz memory. According to the article that spawned thsi thread the 9800GTX will be clocked at 675/1688/1100. Everything else looks to be the same.

I'm quite sure the memory speed is correct (the 9800 release coencides too closely with the availability of the 0.8ns Qimonda GDDR3 to be coincidence), but I would expect them to up the GPU clocks a bit more.
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This card makes my 8800GTS 512 look like a killer purchase.

Dissapointed in nVidia's 9 series still, but the GTS 512 is an awesome card.

And the GTX should still hold considerable value now, since the new flagship is only 15-20% faster.
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^ That is very outdated and anyone could have started that rumor. I doubt it was NVIDIA.



The 8800GT and GTS G92 at the same clocks perform within a few percent of each other, and the difference is down to the number of shader processors that are enabled.

There is nothing to suggest that the G92 in the 9800GTX will have any significant new feature. It's already known that it will have the same 128 shaders. At best they will include a the few minor tweaks to get full DX 10.1 support, but I wouldn't count on even that.

Clock speeds are the main difference. The 8800GTS 512's reference clocks are 650MHz ROP, 1625MHz shader, and 972MHz memory. According to the article that spawned thsi thread the 9800GTX will be clocked at 675/1688/1100. Everything else looks to be the same.

I'm quite sure the memory speed is correct (the 9800 release coencides too closely with the availability of the 0.8ns Qimonda GDDR3 to be coincidence), but I would expect them to up the GPU clocks a bit more.
"^ That is very outdated and anyone could have started that rumor. I doubt it was NVIDIA."

Look at the date 2/24/08
Including yourself?
I'm not here to stay how accurate it is or isn't, the point is moot until it's actually released.
One example I can state is Tech ARP has the 8800GS on their chart and the specs for it for about a year already, and when the card was released, guess what?
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