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Originally Posted by Fierceleaf View Post
This is why we all prefer a mouse over a joystick.
Although I see the benefits in analog control over a joystick/controller, I still prefer a controller over mouse and keyboard. Call it old habits dying hard I guess. Considering I've been on consoles since Atari 2600, and only been playing PC games for ~1 year, you can see why. And lastly, I'll take my trackball over any mouse, any day. I know you didn't mean anything with your over generalization, but I have to start "work" in five minutes and I needed some thing to do. Pick on you seemed appropriate.
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I think you guys missed the point of the article.

Its not about the amount of buttons its about having controls that feel natural to a human being. This is why we all prefer a mouse over a joystick.

Someone else referenced a fighter jet and I would like to use this as an example, if you were to get into a fighter jet you wouldn't know what to do first right? How do you fly? Whats this button do?

But if the controls felt natural like you pretended moving your hand like an airplane in the air and the aircraft responded then it would make sense.

Its not about the fact that a two year old can use it, its about how human beings think and respond to the operation of a device based of how natural it feels to control it. This is what they are trying to accomplish its not just about removing all the buttons its finding a solution to complicated actions by simplifying the amount of steps it requires, theres nothing wrong with that.

I think that's a little different, operating a fighter jet isn't a natural occurrence ,neither is driving a car. To drive a car you still need to know how to turn it on ,if you need to press a pedal for it to turn on in the first place (some manual transmissions need the clutch depressed while others don't) , figure out how to put it in gear , know how to accelerate , brake ,etc...these are things you need to learn in order to drive a car, no matter if you just drive to the supermarket once a week, or race cars professionally.So if you want to play games , once a blue moon or hardcore all the way, I think you should know how to use the controls no matter if they have 8 buttons or 90 buttons.
    
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post #53 of 77
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I always thought the N64 controller was fantastic. The gamecube controller's buttons seem a little sporatically placed.
Yeah, the Z button on the GC controller was a pain for me; fat fingers. Keeps me from playing guitar and piano well, too.
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Has anyone else noticed that the average person has gotten more dumb than they were 10 years ago?

Who can't comphrehend 10ish buttons? I mean a keyboard has how many? Its not that hard! A 8 year old should be able to play most games.

I could see someone struggling for like a hour at most figuring out the controller, but after that common sense should kick in and they should remember the buttons.
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Has anyone else noticed that the average person has gotten more dumb than they were 10 years ago?

Who can't comphrehend 10ish buttons? I mean a keyboard has how many? Its not that hard! A 8 year old should be able to play most games.

I could see someone struggling for like a hour at most figuring out the controller, but after that common sense should kick in and they should remember the buttons.
I think alot of people reading the article are having about the same reaction as you. Because this site's demographic consists or highly technically adept people, the reactions consists of questioning how people can't learn so many buttons. But, the average person can't understand 10% of what's said on this forum on any number of topics. And, the average person, imo, has difficulty with 10 buttons on a controller. Of course they will get used to it eventually, but the difference is being able to pick up a controller (Wii) or phone (iPhone) and feeling immediately comfortable with operating a device intuitively. I think that's the point Phil Harrison was making.
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I think alot of people reading the article are having about the same reaction as you. Because this site's demographic consists or highly technically adept people, the reactions consists of questioning how people can't learn so many buttons. But, the average person can't understand 10% of what's said on this forum on any number of topics. And, the average person, imo, has difficulty with 10 buttons on a controller. Of course they will get used to it eventually, but the difference is being able to pick up a controller (Wii) or phone (iPhone) and feeling immediately comfortable with operating a device intuitively. I think that's the point Phil Harrison was making.
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i'm speechless, people = fail.
i'm speechless, hangemhi = totally right, ppl are fail.
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A game with ten buttons is pretty overwhelming for a non-gamer. It's not that they're lazy or dumb, it's just that it's not interesting to them. Some people, like my wife, do enjoy an Xbox game on occasion...but she's never been one to really get into it and any more than 4 buttons or so just gets to be too much. It doesn't have anything to do with skill....cause she can whoop my butt at Simpons Road Rage.

BTW, she is in no way, shape, or form dumb or lazy...she's way smarter than I am...
     
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At least your wife will play them. Mine thinks that video and card games like Magic the Gathering are witchcraft. Some life I have huh?
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riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

and yet the Keyboard/Mouse people COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY OWN those with controllers... hrm...

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