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Poll Results: Experienced opinions please: Swiftech Apogee Drive (H20-120/220)

 
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    Suitable little cooler
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post #41 of 61
lol, so ur gonna try and cram more stuff like tubing and pump and rad and stuff n there... ok
    
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lol, so ur gonna try and cram more stuff like tubing and pump and rad and stuff n there... ok
location, location, location.

I couldn't fit a TRUE in my sugo3, but an Apogee Drive and a 240 radiator fit without problem.
    
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but the case is so crowded that even a stock AMD cooler has a hard time fitting in.
need i say more?

i shall... if u can't get a stock amd heatsink and fan, ur not gonna get an apogeedrive n there
    
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need i say more?

i shall... if u can't get a stock amd heatsink and fan, ur not gonna get an apogeedrive n there
The HSF doesn't fit, but only the heatsink does fit. The space doesn't allow mounting the fan onto the heatsink, so the cooling is much more difficult. Moreover, the case has no venting holes on the sides, only a small one at the bottom and one at the top. A down-facing fan wouldn't be of any use even if it were to fit because heated air rises, so the point of this cooling system would be to gather the heat in the coolant, up it as high as possible and place a fan that will blow the heat outside the case in the upper part.

Hope it's slightly clearer now.
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post #45 of 61
I'm going through this right now. I already had the MCR-220 QP-RES, Rad-Box, clear hoses, clamps, etc. on hand. I ordered an Apogee drive unit for the 940 Phenom II. When I removed the 775 base, I noticed that during assembly some of the water block pins had been crushed, there was an indentation on the o-ring from this, & some of the pins had been sheared off. I straightened the pins with a debit card, & installed the AMD base. During leak testing I observed leakage of coolant from both elbows. I removed the unit & used primer & glue for sprinklers to seal the leaks. When I reinstalled it I was having trouble bleeding the simple loop. After 3 days of trying, I removed it & disassembled it trying to find where the air is entering the pump. All o-rings look fine, & everything is snugged down. I tried again & have had no success. There is something definitely wrong with it.

As for build quality, it looked cheap coming out of the box, the copper pins look poorly machined, the elbow arrangement is flimsy, their QC sucks, & the black hoses need to be clear. You can't tell that the coolant is being whipped in to foam through black hoses. I've basically screwed myself out of any warranty after sealing the elbows.

I can buy a pump top for it & turn it in to a pump, but I'm not sure that will solve the issue. Does a new top come with an 0-ring? I can also buy a water block & mount that. This defeats the purpose of the more simplified system because I don't have the space to mount a pump. My other option is to buy a new PSU that is modular to try & free up space by removing the bundled up spare wiring.

I would definitely not recommend this system to anyone until Swiftech does a major redesign to it to fix the flaws present.
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post #46 of 61
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Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy View Post
I'm going through this right now. I already had the MCR-220 QP-RES, Rad-Box, clear hoses, clamps, etc. on hand. I ordered an Apogee drive unit for the 940 Phenom II. When I removed the 775 base, I noticed that during assembly some of the water block pins had been crushed, there was an indentation on the o-ring from this, & some of the pins had been sheared off. I straightened the pins with a debit card, & installed the AMD base. During leak testing I observed leakage of coolant from both elbows. I removed the unit & used primer & glue for sprinklers to seal the leaks. When I reinstalled it I was having trouble bleeding the simple loop. After 3 days of trying, I removed it & disassembled it trying to find where the air is entering the pump. All o-rings look fine, & everything is snugged down. I tried again & have had no success. There is something definitely wrong with it.

As for build quality, it looked cheap coming out of the box, the copper pins look poorly machined, the elbow arrangement is flimsy, their QC sucks, & the black hoses need to be clear. You can't tell that the coolant is being whipped in to foam through black hoses. I've basically screwed myself out of any warranty after sealing the elbows.

I can buy a pump top for it & turn it in to a pump, but I'm not sure that will solve the issue. Does a new top come with an 0-ring? I can also buy a water block & mount that. This defeats the purpose of the more simplified system because I don't have the space to mount a pump. My other option is to buy a new PSU that is modular to try & free up space by removing the bundled up spare wiring.

I would definitely not recommend this system to anyone until Swiftech does a major redesign to it to fix the flaws present.
Tough to hear. Yeah, there are some problems with this guy, but turning it into a pump is certainly an option. Most aftermarket tops won't come with a new O-ring though, but you can find those if you look. I modded mine over to use 18W (simple mod, you just solder the right most connection to the blank pad next to it) and it worked like a charm. If you want an o-ring and alphacool, or stock top, send me a PM and we can work something out.
    
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post #47 of 61
I swear by Swiftech, at least the older styles. I ran one 3 yrs. + without issue. The one piece block / pump assembly doesn't excite me though, but meets many new to water budgets. I've heard of a few leaking.
I say "Worthy" none the less.
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post #48 of 61
I ordered the XSPC top, a new 0-ring, & an OCZ Hydroflow this afternoon.
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post #49 of 61
I've had one on my Q6600 rig for a few months now, no problems. I admit it does look/feel flimsy compared to the parts on the i7 rig, and the block isn't machined near as nicely as the GTZ. But it's a good little system, all things considered.
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post #50 of 61
Is there a step by step guide how to turn this pump/block into just a pump?
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