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Just a side note, But I just downloaded the video of the 1 winged landing and played it back at 1/8 speed and noticed some interesting things.

1) at the top of the climb when the plane is just starting the roll out of inverted flight one can actually see that the right wing starts to deflect downwards (about a second before it comes off)
2) when coming in on the knife edge before landing, the plane is actually using cross-control aileron and elevator to keep it straight in addition to the rudder control to maintain the yawed nose up attitude
3) just before touching down one can clearly see the aileron come up to produce a left roll


If this were CGI then I wonder why they'd go through the painstaking effort to add those details that aren't noticeable when it's being played at normal speed.
Edited by radodrill - 11/6/08 at 7:48pm
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You're lucky to be able to go to all these nice airshows; I wish I had that opportunity
It's a lot of fun. Although everywhere in Las Vegas smells of smoke
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Wow radodrill, 18tons/hr!?? That's insane, but I figured it'd be a lot.

Perhaps they would put all those details in the CGI just for people like you! lol I think it's funny that the video sparked such a large tangent of flight discussion. Yay for cool things!

*waiting for Syrillian to post more pictures...*
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Nate ~ Yeah, those guys are really kinda freaky, and Father Gregory is Righteous Dood.
Have you ever tried the SMOD? It is one of the most extensive make-overs for HL2. The best part..."bullet time"
Never even heard of it! The only half-life 2 mod I've used is Cinematic Mod. By mod I mean actually a modification to HL2, not a separate game.
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Just a side note, But I just downloaded the video of the 1 winged landing and played it back at 1/8 speed and noticed some interesting things.

1) at the top of the climb when the plane is just starting the roll out of inverted flight one can actually see that the right wing starts to deflect downwards (about a second before it comes off)
2) when coming in on the knife edge before landing, the plane is actually using cross-control aileron and elevator to keep it straight in addition to the rudder control to maintain the yawed nose up attitude
3) just before touching down one can clearly see the aileron come up to produce a left roll


If this were CGI then I wonder why they'd go through the painstaking effort to add those details that aren't noticeable when it's being played at normal speed.
Thats the idea of CGI. Its constucted pretty much frame by frame.
Also notice at 0:24 the plane has no tail wheel.
But on landing it does.
Also its a viral ad campaign for this site BTW -
http://www.killathrill.de/start.action
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Ok, Leatherneck, how's this?





I don't Know if you have adequate clearance to the left and right in order to facilitate the hold-downs. If you do, you can use tapped holes for the fasteners so it still looks clean from the back.

Oh, and I'd probably use some type of material between the two acrylics to ensure there's no slipping (maybe a silicone pad). Or, you can make a third hold-down for the bottom or the res, this way you can "slip" it in and out from the top without removing the fasteners.

I'm not sure if this is feasable or not but an idea for you to play with. GL
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Never even heard of it! The only half-life 2 mod I've used is Cinematic Mod. By mod I mean actually a modification to HL2, not a separate game.
Indeed, the SMOD is an overhaul to the actual game itself (same story and game), and like other mods will show in your STEAM account when installed.

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Ok, Leatherneck, how's this?





I don't Know if you have adequate clearance to the left and right in order to facilitate the hold-downs. If you do, you can use tapped holes for the fasteners so it still looks clean from the back.

Oh, and I'd probably use some type of material between the two acrylics to ensure there's no slipping (maybe a silicone pad). Or, you can make a third hold-down for the bottom or the res, this way you can "slip" it in and out from the top without removing the fasteners.

I'm not sure if this is feasable or not but an idea for you to play with. GL
Thank you for taking the time to consider a solution to the mounting.

+

I'm not certain if I have the clearances required for the brackets that you suggest as there is a cove-piece that runs the vertical line where the 2 panels meet... I'll ponder on it throughout the day.

Again, thanks for taking the time.



P.S.

HAPPY FRIDAY TO ALL!
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Also notice at 0:24 the plane has no tail wheel.
could be obscured by being far away from the viewpoint, having little contrast against the dark belly of the fuselage, or blurred due to the speed of the aircraft.




On an interesting note, I've shown the video to a few professors thus far and one of them said that since aerobatic planes are very lightweight and way overpowered and overwinged that certainly if a pilot could stabilize the the rolling and get the wing vertical it would be possible to fly on the fuselage and land it as shown on the video. However, the fact that the aircraft drops out of the field of view a few times makes it hard to say for sure that it's real or rule out the possibility of a model having been subbed in.

Another professor's reaction for hastily watching it was:
when the wing snapped -- not good, missing a wing
when the plane is flying on the fuselage -- is that a model, that looks like a model
when the canopy opens -- bull----

yet another prof looked at it and will review it in detail when he has more time and get back to me; he's probably also going to forward it to a former faculty member who's also an aerobatic pilot and owns a Pitts Special and possible some other people to try to get their opinions on it.

I'll try to get the opinions of a few more professors over here as well; maybe WBaS can try to do the same.

I guess that fact stands that there's always someone who'll say something is fake even if it's know to be real and vice versa.
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could be obscured by being far away from the viewpoint, having little contrast against the dark belly of the fuselage, or blurred due to the speed of the aircraft.




On an interesting note, I've shown the video to a few professors thus far and one of them said that since aerobatic planes are very lightweight and way overpowered and overwinged that certainly if a pilot could stabilize the the rolling and get the wing vertical it would be possible to fly on the fuselage and land it as shown on the video. However, the fact that the aircraft drops out of the field of view a few times makes it hard to say for sure that it's real or rule out the possibility of a model having been subbed in.

Another professor's reaction for hastily watching it was:
when the wing snapped -- not good, missing a wing
when the plane is flying on the fuselage -- is that a model, that looks like a model
when the canopy opens -- bull----

yet another prof looked at it and will review it in detail when he has more time and get back to me; he's probably also going to forward it to a former faculty member who's also an aerobatic pilot and owns a Pitts Special and possible some other people to try to get their opinions on it.

I'll try to get the opinions of a few more professors over here as well; maybe WBaS can try to do the same.

I guess that fact stands that there's always someone who'll say something is fake even if it's know to be real and vice versa.
I agree with prof #2.
But theoretically a plan can land with only one wing - it just happens that in this case IMO it is CG'd - This is probably based more so on my knowledge of CGI than my knowledge of aerodynamics.
Everytime there is a pixelised blur, or the plane goes out of view marks a transition from one sequence to another.
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what video are you guys talking about??? I watched the first 3 on the last page but have no idea what you guys speak of
    
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