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  • 15% (77)
    Dislike Vista
  • 78% (388)
    I like Vista
  • 6% (30)
    Not used Vista before
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post #101 of 264
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I'd like to read it when you're done with it. How can killing off XP lose m$ customers when they'll all be required/compelled/forced/coerced to buy the new product anyway? My point is that m$ will ALWAYS have customers, and that fact stems from their monopolistic roots.



Just a general question: What's wrong with a 7 year-old OS?
What is wrong with a 30 year-old OS? Answer that question and you'll probably answer your own.
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Just a general question: What's wrong with a 7 year-old OS?

What's wrong with a 7 year-old processor? Or GPU?
post #103 of 264
I kinda have an urge to debunk what you are saying. No offense to you...

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1. It absolutely sucks on a computer older than 1 year.
I have it running on my circa 2005 1.6GHZ centrino laptop with 2GBs of RAM and it runs just fine. Initially I 512mb of ram and just had to add the extra ram for maximum performance. No problems whatsoever.
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2. Impacts raw performance (which sucks for me because I use windows ONLY for games).
Hardly the case anymore. I rip 300 fps with my 2 7900GS's in counterstrike. Everything else is comparable. Even if Im losing 10% (the concensus from most benchmarkers.) FPS for using Vista. I wont even complain due to the fact that 300 FPS and 330FPS make no difference to the naked eye whatsoever. In the case that you get 30FPS... I hardly think anyone could tell the difference between 30 and 33. Other than that... ITS ALL IN YOUR MIND.
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3. They tried too hard to organize things (example: the control panel sucks.)
All things that you can easily fix. (I.E., "Classic View") You have to do the same for that crappy control panel configuration in windows xp. If you deny the new start menu is probably one of the best out there... YOU ARE IN DENIAL. (and I aint talkin bout that river in egypt.)
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4. It just requires too many tweaks to make it functional (have to disable this and that, like driver signing and UAC and enable this and that like admin, etc.), and this gives me hell because I reformat windows once every 2-4 months (XP takes me long enough to get setup after a format, 4 hours or so; I don't need vista making that longer)
Driver signing... Use "signed" drivers maybe? UAC is definately worth disabling. Nobody is arguing that UAC is a good thing. People need to stop using UAC as a way to knock Vista. Its old. Everyone knows it sucks. Even microsoft... And what are you guys doing to your admin accounts??? I saw some stuff on this. Ive had to do nothing. I do every administrative task you can think of without any issues.

Format often? Install and configure once then.... (one word) GHOST. Why format so much anyway? Waste of time imo.

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So basically if you're just building a computer and are going to make it fairly modern, vista could be a good investment. But if you're like me and are out for raw performance and don't depend on windows for regular desktop work, XP is probably better (or even 2000). For desktop use, a lower-maintenance OS is what I prefer.
Vista is a good investment only if you want to use Vista. If you prefer old an outdated OS's because they will naturally use less resources (because of the generation of hardware they were designed for) and you dont have much to spare then fine. Thats ok I guess. But if you want to be able to use the latest technologies, newer, better features and a more secure OS, go with the new stuff. And the new stuff right now just happens to be Vista.
    
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I had Vista Premium dual booting for about a month.
It was slow compared to XP, but this was on a 2 ghz Socket A computer with 1 gig of memory, onboard video, so not a fair comparison.
I sold it. I am getting ready to buy another copy and give it another try on my sig rig and my HTPC.
I have played with Vista Basic some on my dads laptop, and it sucks, but it is underpowered as far as I am concerned (single core celeron and 1.5 gigs of shared memory (was 512)).
I am getting used to the interface differences between Vista and XP though, so not as bad as I initially felt.
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VISTA plain and simple.. running on laptop HOME PREMIUM and on main rig BUSINESS edition both are robust and great.. XP is just simple.
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I'm glad there is an overwhelming majority who don't like staying in the stone ages.
Stone ages? How is XP the "stone age?" How is vista so much more technologically advanced than XP? Or 2000 for that matter?

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Originally Posted by R3ap3R View Post
A lot.

XP -><- Vista


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DX-10, AERO, better memory management, being able to watch DVD's and the neat sidebar come to mind.
I'll agree with memory management, but aero, DX, and sidebar are such novelty things - how does that warrant a $250 upgrade for most users?

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What is wrong with a 30 year-old OS? Answer that question and you'll probably answer your own.
Nothing at all if it runs all my programs. Look what I asked:

"What significant advantage does vista have over XP or 2000?"

Obviously a 30 year-old OS isn't even going to have a GUI... I'm trying to talk to reasonable people here. Let's be reasonable.

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What's wrong with a 7 year-old processor? Or GPU?
Be reasonable. There are obviously many gains with new processors over old ones, like being many times faster. But, once again, what significant advantage does vista have over XP or 2000?

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I kinda have an urge to debunk what you are saying. No offense to you...
No problem; I'm open to discussion.

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I have it running on my circa 2005 1.6GHZ centrino laptop with 2GBs of RAM and it runs just fine. Initially I 512mb of ram and just had to add the extra ram for maximum performance. No problems whatsoever.
Well the key there is 2GB. 2GB is not the standard of computers older than a year, the demographic to which I was referring. I guess that "debunks" my CPU argument, but the memory problem still stands as far as I'm concerned.

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Hardly the case anymore. I rip 300 fps with my 2 7900GS's in counterstrike. Everything else is comparable. Even if Im losing 10% (the concensus from most benchmarkers.) FPS for using Vista. I wont even complain due to the fact that 300 FPS and 330FPS make no difference to the naked eye whatsoever. In the case that you get 30FPS... I hardly think anyone could tell the difference between 30 and 33. Other than that... ITS ALL IN YOUR MIND.
Well again, you're not using last generation hardware. I think it's a sucky thing when I played Resident Evil 4 at 10-15FPS with a 1/2 second delay in input time under vista. I got fed up, installed XP, and I got 30FPS flat - constant - and the 1/2 second delay was gone. My point: there was no significant advantage of vista over XP. This does not warrant a $250 upgrade.

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All things that you can easily fix. (I.E., "Classic View") You have to do the same for that crappy control panel configuration in windows xp. If you deny the new start menu is probably one of the best out there... YOU ARE IN DENIAL. (and I aint talkin bout that river in egypt.)
Well, I like the XP-style view. Vista uses the XP-style, but they did too much shuffling stuff around, trying to make it easy but failing. For example, I have to go through I think 3 windows to get to network connections (devices). In XP, that's 2 clicks, 1 window. That's what I'm talking about.

The start menu is nice. An improvement over XP, but not one that would warrant a $250 upgrade. I could use Google Desktop in XP for free.

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Driver signing... Use "signed" drivers maybe?
Can't. Then I can't unlock my 6800XT. Remember how I told you I got 10-15FPS in RE4 under vista? Want to picture that without the unlock? Yeah, not pretty.

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UAC is definately worth disabling. Nobody is arguing that UAC is a good thing. People need to stop using UAC as a way to knock Vista. Its old. Everyone knows it sucks. Even microsoft... And what are you guys doing to your admin accounts??? I saw some stuff on this. Ive had to do nothing. I do every administrative task you can think of without any issues.
I know UAC isn't too hard to disable, but that's just another thing on the long list of things that has to be done to get vista to be functional.

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Format often? Install and configure once then.... (one word) GHOST. Why format so much anyway? Waste of time imo.
Something else to spend money on? No thanks.

I format so often because the quality of the install of windows OSs seems to degrade over time. They get slower and slower.

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Vista is a good investment only if you want to use Vista.
That goes for anything, really.

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If you prefer old an outdated OS's because they will naturally use less resources (because of the generation of hardware they were designed for) and you dont have much to spare then fine.
I don't feel you proved to me how vista is significantly more technologically advanced than XP such that it's worth a $250 upgrade. And certainly no one has proved that XP is "outdated" due to incapability.

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Thats ok I guess. But if you want to be able to use the latest technologies, newer, better features and a more secure OS, go with the new stuff. And the new stuff right now just happens to be Vista.
Again, what are these new features? Are we talking about novelty items like eye candy, or is there something that really makes vista an advanced, futuristic OS? I've yet to hear why vista is significantly better than XP.

Look, I'm not trying to bash at all. I'm just trying to understand why people are:

1. Calling XP outdated
2. Calling vista an advanced piece of software
3. Saying vista is worth a $250 upgrade
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No problem; I'm open to discussion.
I want you to pay attention...
Vista is NOT $250.

If you want I can quote you some prices on newegg.

Vista Home premium OEM for system builders = $99.99 (Cheaper than MCE at this point in its release.)
Vista Business OEM for system builders = $139.00 (Cheaper than XP Pro at this point in its release.)
Vista Ultimate OEM for system builders x64 = $189.00 (Cheaper still than XP Pro at this point in its release.)

::edit:: And wow... I didnt even look at XP before but... Its still just as expensive or just marginally less than vista.

Money worth the upgrade if your system can run it = DEFINATELY.

Link to newegg pricing can be found here.

Why do you keep insisting its a 200+ dollar upgrade?


What was the point in upgrading from 98se to Windows XP??? I vividly remember XP being a huge piece of crap back then (just like vista supposedly is now). What were the major advantages? Could you name them??
I can give you the simple answer if you want... XP is simply superior to 98SE in every way.

But I was just being too stubborn to see that back then because XP was pricey and new and different.

Who is it you are trying to convince that Vista is not better than XP? Why would you attempt at convincing them of such a thing? Are you serving some higher purpose?
    
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Vista is the best

if you dont like GET A NEW COMP
or don't buy mainstream parts
and don't say i'm an ass for bashing small brands
and they're lack of vista drivers.
I lost a tv tuner in the transition
but its running in my old computer now so w/e
also check tweak guides to help performance by disabling
unneeded junk
    
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I want you to pay attention...
Vista is NOT $250.
For the sake of not starting another argument and saying vista IS $250 (general price on the upgrade version), I'll show you this newegg link for vista ultimate upgrade at $200:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116141

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If you want I can quote you some prices on newegg.

Vista Home premium OEM for system builders = $99.99 (Cheaper than MCE at this point in its release.)
Vista Business OEM for system builders = $139.00 (Cheaper than XP Pro at this point in its release.)
Vista Ultimate OEM for system builders x64 = $189.00 (Cheaper still than XP Pro at this point in its release.)
We don't count OEM, because those can only be installed on one computer. It isn't the "main" product. ultimate OEM, for example: $189. Ever gonna upgrade the board? Another 189. That's why we don't count OEM.

We don't count the other "versions" either. Why? Because they are also not the "main" version.

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Money worth the upgrade if your system can run it = DEFINATELY.
But why? Why, why, why? This is not a reason; this is not a "why." "'Why' is the only real source of power; without it you are powerless."

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What was the point in upgrading from 98se to Windows XP???
98 was an unstable POS. In 98, BSODs were the norm. Trust me, I would know. I was on windows 98 up until 2005, no joke. XP offered a much more stable environment, ALONG with the novelty items.

What I'm trying to say is that XP is perfectly fine. It is perfectly stable; I only ever BSODed while OCing. So vista doesn't have that particular advantage over XP like XP had over 98.

Also, I hear lots of people saying (at least now that they have vista) that XP is buggy and unstable. They weren't saying that before vista came out. Whenever a Linux user would rave about his OS's stability, the windows users would say "I never crash unless I OC poorly." Now all of a sudden XP BSODs since vista came out?

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I vividly remember XP being a huge piece of crap back then (just like vista supposedly is now). What were the major advantages? Could you name them??
Stability. Other significant advantages? I can't really think of many.

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Who is it you are trying to convince that Vista is not better than XP? Why would you attempt at convincing them of such a thing? Are you serving some higher purpose?
Actually, I'm trying to do the antithesis. I'm trying to understand why vista is better than XP (such that an upgrade is worth it.)

Look, I'm really not trying to make waves. I'm trying to get down to the bottom of this. I really want to know what it is that makes vista so much better than XP, but I have yet to find my answer. And this is after using vista for 3 months and hearing all that I hear on this forum.
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I love using vista, it has a nice feel to it and whilst some have had problems with software compatibility i have had none (except from iTunes but that is because i am on a 64-bit OS NOT because of Vista)
Download Itunes with IE 64bit and you will get Itunes 64bit!
Vista is stable I have over Oced my video card and it didnt BSOD and I loved that Aero is cool and it's super fast. I will tell you that I havent run XP on my system so I do have a bias because all the XP systems I have worked on were alot slower but my friends like Vista on my computer compared to the XP on their own systems
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