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Quick sob story: I had an ASUS M2N32 mobo for my sig rig for about 15 months, at which time I started getting random restarts that culminated in a mobo that wouldn't post. After attempts to fix it failed, I replaced it with the current Biostar TForce 560 you see in my sig. However, after 3 months of worry-free operation, more random restarts this morning and a now dead Biostar 560, sigh.

This leads me to believe that it's my PSU causing all this trouble, so that needs replacement, however it fried my board again so I need a new board as well. And I thought, why keep dumping money on AMD boards when I could switch to the dark side? So the plan is to get a new PSU, an Intel board, and an Intel CPU to replace my current AMD X2 4200+ socket AM2 (so my memory is DDR2).

Now I don't want to spend lots of $$ so I was thinking of getting an E2180 and overclocking it, as this would go way past the puney 2.7GHz of my early 4200+ and keep my wallet pleasently plump. However, I do know that L2 cache is more important to your Intel FSB than it is to our AMD chips, and I was wondering if the increased L2 on say an E4500 would justify the extra $50 (I'm guessing no). I was also checking out the E8400 and the 4.0GHz overclocks I'm hearing about are tempting, but the $240 price tag is frightening to someone who wasn't expecting an upgrade any time soon.

I should point out I only play CS Source and Civ4, with every intention of playing SC2 when it comes out, and maybe getting better games at some future time (with an upgrade to the ol' vid card).

Any and all opinions are welcome. And look for my 4200+ in the for sale section

EDIT: You can help me choose the PSU and mobo if you'd like

Motherboard:
$90 - Gigabyte DS3L or...
$70 - Abit P35 (after $30 MIR)

PSU:
$85 - Corsair 550VX (after $15 MIR, made by CWT) or...
$90 - Antec earthwatts 500W (made by Seasonic)
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post #2 of 24
Q6600 nuff said. Best CPU you have and will ever use for a long time.
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post #3 of 24
Just got a q6600 myself, love it to death. If you're going to be spending money anyway, why not?
post #4 of 24
Yup Q6600 really owns not a single problem at all
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post #5 of 24
The Q6600 is indeed a good processor, but if you don't want to spend a lot Pentium Dual-Core is a very good option. If you can re use your case, PSU, etc., you only need $150 for a good processor and motherboard. A Q6600 or E8400 might overpower your poor 7900 anyway.

ABIT IP35E is $70 on Newegg right now with MIR. I think E2160's are $72ish.
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post #6 of 24
E2180 is a great choice, the 1MB cache is not THAT bottlenecking at all. Although the difference from 1MB to 2MB is bigger than from 2MB to 4MB I don't think its worth $50 more for the E4500, both are the same Allendale core and same stepping so expect near the same from both. I would personally stay away from the current Wolfdales, I hear too much weird stuff like sudden death happening to a number of them, best to wait for a new stepping release like Intel does with every CPU usually.

A E2xxx can get to 3Ghz very easy and 3.2+ with a little bump in volts on most of them. An E2xxx can play Crysis on full settings with a good video card just as good as a E8400 will. IMO for the price you want and the performance you want the E2180 has your name on it. If you insist on getting a little more cache then the E4500 is next in line, both are great CPUs.
     
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post #7 of 24
If you get this cpu for awhile, Q6600 is a very good option. Regarding the cache, it will impact perfomance but you won't tell in most cases except in some cache demand gaming, video and image editing etc. So, either E2180 or E4500 is a good option without breaking the bank. While I am waitting my next cpu, I am still using E2180 and happy about it. I can get 13K from it with one GT.


http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...e_size_matter/
post #8 of 24
Yeah I actually did not even bother to look at his current rig... I would not get a Pentium DualCore... Netburst for the lose.

Get a new Core2 DualCore.
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post #9 of 24
If money is an issue I highly doubt you would be disappointed if you decide on a e2180. I am extremely happy with mine, quite effortlessly oc'ed it to 3.0Ghz Stock cooling no hassle exta money for a new cpu fan or anything.
Very happy with it, i think id probably feel like a fool if i did the opposite and buy the 4500 or whatever i was comparing it to at the time.

Good Luck ! Sorry to hear about your loss.
    
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post #10 of 24
P4!!!! FTW! k im kidding, go get the Q6600 right now its cheap, but if not go get the Core 2 duo E8400. It runs awsome on stock, im planning to OC it sometime soon but that can wait. I like mines. go get it. you wont regret it.
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