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Ok, with the 8.2 ATI drivers I was able to get linux working to a good degree, and I was finally getting comfortable with it when I decided to install FF3, since it was so nice on Windows.

BIG MISTAKE


It worked fine and everything, but there wasn't any kind of installer or anything and I was running it from the folder I extracted from the download. This obviously would not work because it looks bad running it from the Desktop and I would have to redirect all of my shortcuts.

So I decided to just cp it over to user/lib, but that didn't work out right because some of the folders are actually just links to other parts of the filesystem, so eventually I managed to get everything copied sufficiently and found that firefox wouldn't start, it would just crash, and in typical linux fashion, not explain anything about it, no error messages or anything.

I thought to myself, well this sucks, I guess I'll just reinstall FF2 from the repositories. The installer kills my gnome clock for some reason, so I don't even know what time it is right now, and it still doesn't work, "Starting firefox" appears on my task bar but then it just dissapears, which is even worse because it doesn't even tell you it crashed...

Luckily the Add/Remove.. utility that comes with Ubuntu has the ability to install Opera, so thats what I'm using right now to write this message.

What I'm pondering right now is whether I should spend 40 minutes on the reinstall and 30 minutes on the basic config, or whether I should spend 4 hours debugging the problem...

And people say linux is stable
    
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Yeah, Linux does crap like this sometimes.

The Package Manager is there to... manage your packages... Any person would hate putting files and managing them manually folder to folder to folder to folder....

I, myself, never did ever figure out how to do something like "install" FF after downloading and extracting the folder.
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Well I'm running Mint now, from what I've seen so far its Ubuntu with all of the nice elements of OpenSuSe, I'm lovin' it


(I just wish ATI would get off of their asses and get direct rendering 100%, I hate having to turn off compiz just to watch a video)
    
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(I just wish ATI would get off of their asses and get direct rendering 100%, I hate having to turn off compiz just to watch a video)


http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/0...rendering.html
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RedirectedDirectRendering


It's not a driver issue, although ATI does have the option of doing what nvidia does (not go through the xserver), but that will mean re-working the whole code base.
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Melcar, MUCH thanks for those links. I recently uninstalled the fglrx ati driver from Fedora 8 because of that nasty effect it gave. Good news for the rest of the Fedora fans out there, Fedora 9 is expected to have redirected direct rendering:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=us

And nathris, in my opinion you should have been using Opera from the start .
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And nathris, in my opinion you should have been using Opera from the start .
Except that I think default fonts scarred my retinas...
    
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
Ok, with the 8.2 ATI drivers I was able to get linux working to a good degree, and I was finally getting comfortable with it when I decided to install FF3, since it was so nice on Windows.

BIG MISTAKE


It worked fine and everything, but there wasn't any kind of installer or anything and I was running it from the folder I extracted from the download. This obviously would not work because it looks bad running it from the Desktop and I would have to redirect all of my shortcuts.

So I decided to just cp it over to user/lib, but that didn't work out right because some of the folders are actually just links to other parts of the filesystem, so eventually I managed to get everything copied sufficiently and found that firefox wouldn't start, it would just crash, and in typical linux fashion, not explain anything about it, no error messages or anything.

I thought to myself, well this sucks, I guess I'll just reinstall FF2 from the repositories. The installer kills my gnome clock for some reason, so I don't even know what time it is right now, and it still doesn't work, "Starting firefox" appears on my task bar but then it just dissapears, which is even worse because it doesn't even tell you it crashed...

Luckily the Add/Remove.. utility that comes with Ubuntu has the ability to install Opera, so thats what I'm using right now to write this message.

What I'm pondering right now is whether I should spend 40 minutes on the reinstall and 30 minutes on the basic config, or whether I should spend 4 hours debugging the problem...

And people say linux is stable
Yeah - the problem is obviously on linux's side
It could't possibly be your fault that the system broke after copying random files into system folders

And if you want info about a crash - run it from terminal . I know that you won't get all the detailed info taht windows gives (such as the oh so helpful "<program> has encountered an error and needs to close> We are sorry for the inconvenience"), but you will get some info
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Originally Posted by rabidgnome229 View Post
Yeah - the problem is obviously on linux's side
It could't possibly be your fault that the system broke after copying random files into system folders

And if you want info about a crash - run it from terminal . I know that you won't get all the detailed info taht windows gives (such as the oh so helpful "<program> has encountered an error and needs to close> We are sorry for the inconvenience"), but you will get some info


well put, and true. linux is extremely stable, however when someone goes about copying random files into various system folders, who would expect positive results?
    
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
Ok, with the 8.2 ATI drivers I was able to get linux working to a good degree, and I was finally getting comfortable with it when I decided to install FF3, since it was so nice on Windows.

BIG MISTAKE


It worked fine and everything, but there wasn't any kind of installer or anything and I was running it from the folder I extracted from the download. This obviously would not work because it looks bad running it from the Desktop and I would have to redirect all of my shortcuts.

So I decided to just cp it over to user/lib, but that didn't work out right because some of the folders are actually just links to other parts of the filesystem, so eventually I managed to get everything copied sufficiently and found that firefox wouldn't start, it would just crash, and in typical linux fashion, not explain anything about it, no error messages or anything.

I thought to myself, well this sucks, I guess I'll just reinstall FF2 from the repositories. The installer kills my gnome clock for some reason, so I don't even know what time it is right now, and it still doesn't work, "Starting firefox" appears on my task bar but then it just dissapears, which is even worse because it doesn't even tell you it crashed...

Luckily the Add/Remove.. utility that comes with Ubuntu has the ability to install Opera, so thats what I'm using right now to write this message.

What I'm pondering right now is whether I should spend 40 minutes on the reinstall and 30 minutes on the basic config, or whether I should spend 4 hours debugging the problem...

And people say linux is stable
Well its pretty clear you had no idea what you were doing.

You could of left the firefox folder in your home directory space. Nothing wrong with that, just that that user is the only one able to use that program (most likely not an issue on a desktop). To fix it so other programs would use that newer version, you could do two things. 1) create a new alias for firefox and have it point to the newest version or 2) create a new soft link to the firefox executable in /usr/bin (would only want to do that on a single user desktop, and still even then not the nicest solution).

To have any user use it you put it in /usr/share and create a new soft link in /usr/bin.
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