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Everyone have a different opinion, get over it. Please don't bash each other. But arguing is ok.

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After learning how a bill becomes a law, your kids might also learn about the wonders of copyright, thanks to the MPAA. The motion picture trade group has signed an agreement with the popular Weekly Reader publication for kids that will highlight "canine crime-fighting ambassadors Lucky and Flo." That's right: DVD-sniffing dogs will educate children about the value of copyrights in a "fun and exciting way." Sounds like a blast.
Movie biz obsesses about pirates even as it plunders box office booty
MPAA names its Top 25 movie piracy schools
Large-scale movie and music piracy operation busted in Brazil
China signs agreement to crack down on piracy

But this sort of thing has become crucial to the MPAA. Take a look at the group's homepage; nearly everything is about copyrights and piracy. The MPAA routinely asserts that the movie business is being decimated by piracy, but the press release announcing the Weekly Reader deal sits just below a far more interesting piece of news (PDF): data that shows the US box office doing its biggest year of business ever in 2007, growing 5.4 percent over 2006 and bringing in $9.63 billion.

Piracy is so bad, according to the MPAA, that we need special legislation to target the dastardly college pirates who are destroying the business. It's so bad that Weekly Reader subscribers will learn about the $7 billion a year "lost" to Internet piracy. It's so bad that the MPAA wants ISPs to ignore years of common carrier law and the promises of "safe harbor" and start filtering their traffic, looking for copyright violations.

The real world isn't quite this simple, of course. It turns out that the MPAA's college numbers were off by a factor of three, a revelation that came after years of hiding the study's methodology but continuing to lobby Congress with its numbers. There's no possible way that the MPAA can truly know what it "lost" to piracy, either, as it has no real idea what percentage of downloads would have resulted in sales. And, with the notable exception of AT&T, no other major US ISP has publicly entertained the idea of filtering traffic.

Data source: MPAA

Certainly the MPAA has the right to fight illegal downloads of its material, and it certainly has the right to go after those making a profit by ripping off its DVDs. But the rhetoric around "piracy" (a term used far too broadly) simply doesn't fit with reality. If piracy is killing the movie business, it's doing so in exactly the same way that home taping killed the music business in the 1980s.

Swapping movies over the Internet was more of a niche practice back in 2001 as bandwidth constraints made it impractical for many. Certainly it's much simpler now, and advanced P2P protocols like BitTorrent (combined with free trackers like The Pirate Bay) make it relatively simple. But the movie business did $9.63 billion at theaters alone in 2007, a substantial increase over 2001's $8.13 billion. US box office has also risen for the last two years, and international growth rates have been much higher and more constant.

DVD piracy and file-swapping pose problems for the industry, no doubt about it, but the entire issue deserves to have the rhetoric scaled back a bit. As Dan Glickman, the MPAA boss, admitted, "Ultimately, we got our Hollywood ending. Once again, diverse, quality films and the timeless allure of the movie house proved a winning combination with consumers around the world."

So break out the champagne (for the MPAA execs) and the dog biscuits (for Lucky & Flo); home taping didn't kill the music business, and file-swapping isn't destroying theatrical revenue.
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post #2 of 74
Three points I would like to make:
1) Piracy is wrong. Period.
2) With inflation taken into account, I bet those differences will be much less than indicated in there.
3) That plot also indicates a downward trend in sales (which would be even worse if inflation were taken into account) up until the last couple years, when MPAA has been at its staunchest. In other words, there is no telling what has caused the increase in sales (or the decrease before then). It could be piracy increased until 2006 and then decreased when publicity and pressure from MPAA was at its highest, or it could just be the selection of movies coming out. This also doesn't take into account the bundle deals going on with all the HD players and video game systems.

This article proves nothing and just sounds like a rant from someone who wants to pirate videos without getting caught or having to feel guilty. Claiming revenue increases prove piracy isn't as big a problem as MPAA would like you to believe is just another lame excuse towards justifying piracy.
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post #3 of 74
Piracy is a problem but movies arent being hurt that badly as they make it seem.
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Piracy is a problem but movies arent being hurt that badly as they make it seem.
It doesn't matter how badly sales are or aren't being hurt. Piracy shouldn't happen regardless.
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post #5 of 74
It's a nice article, and I think those of you who construe as a defense of piracy are missing the point - he isn't trying to justify it, he's just saying that the MPAA is a bunch of clowns, and that piracy actually doesn't cause many of the problems that it is reputed to.
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1) Piracy is wrong. Period.
Thank you, end of the thread.
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Three points I would like to make:
1) Piracy is wrong. Period.
2) With inflation taken into account, I bet those differences will be much less than indicated in there.
3) That plot also indicates a downward trend in sales (which would be even worse if inflation were taken into account) up until the last couple years, when MPAA has been at its staunchest. In other words, there is no telling what has caused the increase in sales (or the decrease before then). It could be piracy increased until 2006 and then decreased when publicity and pressure from MPAA was at its highest, or it could just be the selection of movies coming out. This also doesn't take into account the bundle deals going on with all the HD players and video game systems.

This article proves nothing and just sounds like a rant from someone who wants to pirate videos without getting caught or having to feel guilty. Claiming revenue increases prove piracy isn't as big a problem as MPAA would like you to believe is just another lame excuse towards justifying piracy.
Agreed 100%, great post!
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It's a nice article, and I think those of you who construe as a defense of piracy are missing the point - he isn't trying to justify it, he's just saying that the MPAA is a bunch of clowns, and that piracy actually doesn't cause many of the problems that it is reputed to.
This IS a blatant defense of piracy, I don't see how you can argue otherwise. This article is biased and far from objective.

The article is right about how the MPAA can't say exactly how much in sales $$ is lost by piracy, but it works the other way around. The guy writing this article can't argue that piracy is NOT hurting the movie industry as much as the MPAA says it is. Basically, neither side is right.
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Too many variables to make a definite conclusion.....however it's not fair for the MPAA to say that piracy is killing the industry or anything like that.
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post #9 of 74
Well, this article is a little off in the first place because piracy of movies affects dvd sales, not box office sales. And this article can be anti MPAA while not being pro piracy, just because we can all agree that McCarthy was a jack-ass doesn't mean we're communists either.
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"You wouldn't steal a car... But would you steal a movie online?" Quote by the MPAA
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