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Dont get a 2900gt its a crippled 2900pro/xt because it has less clock and shader units. If possible save for the 2900pro which can be flashed to 2900xt or a 512mb 3870.
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Dont get a 2900gt its a crippled 2900pro/xt because it has less clock and shader units. If possible save for the 2900pro which can be flashed to 2900xt or a 512mb 3870.
What?!?

You can't flash a 256-bit PRO (what is now on the market) to a 512-bit XT. Physically impossible. What you are referring to is the first generation of the 2900 PRO that was just a slightly downclocked XT, that was on a full 512-bit bus.

And the 512MB HD 3870 is an entirely different card with a different chip (R600 vs. RV670)... you had best check your facts before you post!
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Originally Posted by drewfus View Post
i had 2 8600gts in sli and was not happy with then , upgrade to 2 8800gt
go to toms hardwaer thay have good charts for coparison i think 2 8600gts in sli is still slower than 1 8800gt, also the 8600 sereies is not going to utilise more than 256 mem , you need to go to 8800 to start useing 512


Please download iespell (http://iespell.com/) for Internet Explorer or use Firefox.

You gave good advise but it is hard to take it seriously when you word it like this.
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I think the 8800GS would be best to stick within your price limit, or you can get the XFX version for $120 shipped after the rebate.
    
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Thanks a lot guys. I appreciate the help.
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post #26 of 44
My opinion is get a 8800, its only a bit more but its such a jump from an 8600GTS, i had that 8600 and got about 50 on cod4 maxxed, but now on my 8800GT on the same settings i get 125 everywhere. Plus ive overclocked it now so it gets even more!

Its so good. ! But if its not in your price range, then get a 8600, it can play most new games but crysis couldnt run medium smoothly at all. it was very laggy.

Anyway thats my opinion
post #27 of 44
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Originally Posted by kpo6969 View Post
My strong opinion:
<snip>

If your stuck on the 8600GT or GTS, more than 256mb would be a waste.
Rule of thumb:
more than 2x vram compared to memory interface is $ wasted
Really now?

So how come when people have discussions about adding RAM to their computers, nobody says things like "Oh, well, you know you only have an X-bit wide memory interface on your machine", or "You know, you only have X-MHz of memory bandwidth available"?

The concept isn't any different when you're talking about a PC.

How much memory you have, either on your graphics card or in your PC makes almost no difference on performance ... UNTIL ... you need more memory for whatever you're doing. THEN, it becomes extremely valuable to performance.

I just don't see how one can logically make a claim like the one you've made above. There ARE cards out there that really have too much memory for what they're capable of effectively using, but this almost always has more to do with the power of the GPU itself (and hence it's total memory bandwidth, since this is a function of bus speed x width). In other words, the width of the memory bus in and of itself does not dictate how much memory a card 'should' have.

I can guarantee, for example, that an 8800GT has PLENTY of power to effectively make use of 1G of vram, WHEN/IF >512MB amount is needed for a given situation, the 1G card will outperform the 512MB version of the card. Otherwise, they'll be exactly the same.
    
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Really now?

So how come when people have discussions about adding RAM to their computers, nobody says things like "Oh, well, you know you only have an X-bit wide memory interface on your machine", or "You know, you only have X-MHz of memory bandwidth available"?

The concept isn't any different when you're talking about a PC.

How much memory you have, either on your graphics card or in your PC makes almost no difference on performance ... UNTIL ... you need more memory for whatever you're doing. THEN, it becomes extremely valuable to performance.

I just don't see how one can logically make a claim like the one you've made above. There ARE cards out there that really have too much memory for what they're capable of effectively using, but this almost always has more to do with the power of the GPU itself (and hence it's total memory bandwidth, since this is a function of bus speed x width). In other words, the width of the memory bus in and of itself does not dictate how much memory a card 'should' have.

I can guarantee, for example, that an 8800GT has PLENTY of power to effectively make use of 1G of vram, WHEN/IF >512MB amount is needed for a given situation, the 1G card will outperform the 512MB version of the card. Otherwise, they'll be exactly the same.






i think you are right but hes talking about most situations, you can see on ALMOST all bench tests that 256 is about all 8600 is good for and 512 is all 8800 gt,gts,gs is good for
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post #29 of 44
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Really now?

So how come when people have discussions about adding RAM to their computers, nobody says things like "Oh, well, you know you only have an X-bit wide memory interface on your machine", or "You know, you only have X-MHz of memory bandwidth available"?

The concept isn't any different when you're talking about a PC.

How much memory you have, either on your graphics card or in your PC makes almost no difference on performance ... UNTIL ... you need more memory for whatever you're doing. THEN, it becomes extremely valuable to performance.

I just don't see how one can logically make a claim like the one you've made above. There ARE cards out there that really have too much memory for what they're capable of effectively using, but this almost always has more to do with the power of the GPU itself (and hence it's total memory bandwidth, since this is a function of bus speed x width). In other words, the width of the memory bus in and of itself does not dictate how much memory a card 'should' have.

I can guarantee, for example, that an 8800GT has PLENTY of power to effectively make use of 1G of vram, WHEN/IF >512MB amount is needed for a given situation, the 1G card will outperform the 512MB version of the card. Otherwise, they'll be exactly the same.
When you're doing physics calculations or general CPU tasks they are entirely different than a texture based calculation.

The 8800GT performs like 5FPS better with the 1gb vs 512. Why? It can utlize a pinch of it, but doubling the memory should allow it to play at high resolutions...right? Wrong. The 256bit bus cripples it with texture based applications (ie games)....

I kinda see your point, if an 8800GT could use the RAM, it would smoke the 512 varient...but that doesnt happen....
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Originally Posted by brettjv View Post
Really now?

So how come when people have discussions about adding RAM to their computers, nobody says things like "Oh, well, you know you only have an X-bit wide memory interface on your machine", or "You know, you only have X-MHz of memory bandwidth available"?

The concept isn't any different when you're talking about a PC.

How much memory you have, either on your graphics card or in your PC makes almost no difference on performance ... UNTIL ... you need more memory for whatever you're doing. THEN, it becomes extremely valuable to performance.

I just don't see how one can logically make a claim like the one you've made above. There ARE cards out there that really have too much memory for what they're capable of effectively using, but this almost always has more to do with the power of the GPU itself (and hence it's total memory bandwidth, since this is a function of bus speed x width). In other words, the width of the memory bus in and of itself does not dictate how much memory a card 'should' have.

I can guarantee, for example, that an 8800GT has PLENTY of power to effectively make use of 1G of vram, WHEN/IF >512MB amount is needed for a given situation, the 1G card will outperform the 512MB version of the card. Otherwise, they'll be exactly the same.
Yes really
8600GT = 128bit bus
8800GT = 256 bit bus

I stand by my post. And by the way:
Your statement:
"I can guarantee, for example, that an 8800GT has PLENTY of power to effectively make use of 1G of vram"

Is incorrect.

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14230
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