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i don't quite understand this whole net neutrality thing, when my business got our internet connection we had to pay time warner three times the amount we do for home service, but we get half the bandwidth... i called and asked them why that was and they told me that our packets would receive a higher priority than those of home users... does that even make any sense? i don't care about the priority if we have to wait longer for things to download anyways because of bandwidth limitations. i thought the whole net neutrality thing was to make it so companies wouldn't have priority over homes. I'm confused.
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AFAIK net neutality is so all traffic gets the same pirority some ISPs cant dump or slow down packets from torrents, newsgroups and other P2P
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that is a little different.
the net neutrality is more for I'm the isp and I notice I'm getting a lot of users wanting to go to yahoo.com. so here I charge either my customers x more bucks to get access to yahoo or to maybe give them a higher priority to go to yahoo. the other option would be I see yahoo as a drain being most my users go there so I charge yahoo money if they want my customers to be able to go there.

what this is I'm assuming is more then just that. most the time with a company account they have a promise of service so if a situation happens where there is downtime they will try to have you back up in 2 hours while a home account might be down for 24 hours. they might give some priority for you being a company also not quite related to net nutrality though. the other thing is company accounts usually do not get watched as much for using "excessive" bandwidth as they are paying higher amounts to do so.


at least that is my ideas on the situation
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You're doing it wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

Bascially, net neutrality proposes that ISPs disregard what kind of activity clients have with their intarwebs. A neutral ISP doesn't care which sites users go to, what kind of ports they use or at what time they use their internet. A non net neutral ISP might want to slow down packets going to Google and boost those going to Yahoo, in an effort to bring more visitors to Yahoo, an effort which is most often backed up by monetary offerings.

NN is an effort to keep the internet free.
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sorry I could of said it better. this would be those against the views of keeping net neutrality. honest though I did know I just am dead asleep right now
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i don't quite understand this whole net neutrality thing, when my business got our internet connection we had to pay time warner three times the amount we do for home service, but we get half the bandwidth... i called and asked them why that was and they told me that our packets would receive a higher priority than those of home users... does that even make any sense? i don't care about the priority if we have to wait longer for things to download anyways because of bandwidth limitations. i thought the whole net neutrality thing was to make it so companies wouldn't have priority over homes. I'm confused.
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There is another part to network neutrailty as well. I have comcast internet. Using comcast i can get to NY and FL, but if i want data from the west coast i have to travel across part of AT&Ts network to get that information. Currently Comcast and AT&T aren't allowed to charge each other to use their portions of the internet, and they're not allowed to charge me for my internet usage once i've left my provider. If the internet was not neutral (AT&T doesn't want it to be) then when i leave the comcast network the company that i jump onto to continue my travel to the west coast could A) charge me B) charge comcast. Either way i have to pay more for my internet. bad stuff.
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Stopped following the whole thing for a while now because, face it, at the end, no matter what the final decision is, consumers will end up paying more regardless.

Each side likes to claim they have the consumer's back, but in reality, the end user is at the bottom of the priority list. What they're really concerned about is their margins, and how they can keep them (or increase them).

What the big telcos and ISPs want is to re-structure the pricing infrastructure to adapt to newer demands, like HD straming and all that good stuff. What they want is to develop a tier system for the internet so that they can better allocate and control data flow.

What the big internet companies (Google, Yahoo, etc.) want is to keep the status quo, but not because they care for you, but because of their profit margins. If the ISPs succeed in getting their way, all these companies will end up paying more (to reflect their internet usage), and obviously, this is bad for them. And since these companies themselves can't really do anything about it, they want to bring big brother over from Capitol Hill as hired muscle.

This is what it basically boils down to. Most of the other concerns are just fronts to scare consumers. The infrastructure will eventually have to be upgraded anyway to cope with the increasing demand, and the money to fund it will have to come from somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Melcar View Post
Stopped following the whole thing for a while now because, face it, at the end, no matter what the final decision is, consumers will end up paying more regardless.

Each side likes to claim they have the consumer's back, but in reality, the end user is at the bottom of the priority list. What they're really concerned about is their margins, and how they can keep them (or increase them).

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What the big internet companies (Google, Yahoo, etc.) want is to keep the status quo, but not because they care for you, but because of their profit margins. If the ISPs succeed in getting their way, all these companies will end up paying more (to reflect their internet usage), and obviously, this is bad for them. And since these companies themselves can't really do anything about it, they want to bring big brother over from Capitol Hill as hired muscle.

This is what it basically boils down to. Most of the other concerns are just fronts to scare consumers. The infrastructure will eventually have to be upgraded anyway to cope with the increasing demand, and the money to fund it will have to come from somewhere.
Why do people take it personal that companies (Yahoo, Google) do not personally care about consumers? It doesn't matter whether they love us or hate us.....Capitalism will ALWAYS ensure that companies such as Google and Yahoo will always go in favor of consumers......so why complain they don't "do it for us but for themselves"??
 
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Originally Posted by Melcar View Post

What the big internet companies (Google, Yahoo, etc.) want is to keep the status quo, but not because they care for you, but because of their profit margins. If the ISPs succeed in getting their way, all these companies will end up paying more (to reflect their internet usage), and obviously, this is bad for them. And since these companies themselves can't really do anything about it, they want to bring big brother over from Capitol Hill as hired muscle.
Companies like Google and Yahoo are already paying for all that bandwidth. Net neutrality will ensure that we get to go to any website that we see fit.
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