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Originally Posted by PiratesRule View Post
Companies like Google and Yahoo are already paying for all that bandwidth. Net neutrality will ensure that we get to go to any website that we see fit.

They are on the same pricing structure as you and me, and using the "same" internet. What ISPs want is to give them their own "lanes" so they don't encroach on others.

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Originally Posted by Krunk_Kracker View Post
Why do people take it personal that companies (Yahoo, Google) do not personally care about consumers? It doesn't matter whether they love us or hate us.....Capitalism will ALWAYS ensure that companies such as Google and Yahoo will always go in favor of consumers......so why complain they don't "do it for us but for themselves"??

That same logic can be applied to the telcos. Customer demand and competition will keep them in check also. They are companies the same as Yahoo and Google whose primary goal is profit, so why then all the conspiracy theories about it?
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They are on the same pricing structure as you and me, and using the "same" internet. What ISPs want is to give them their own "lanes" so they don't encroach on others.




That same logic can be applied to the telcos. Customer demand and competition will keep them in check also. They are companies the same as Yahoo and Google whose primary goal is profit, so why then all the conspiracy theories about it?
I'm not saying it's all legit, I'm just saying that people always take weird things personal. That's like getting angry at the insurance company because they don't care about you...


I'm just saying don't take things personal....things do not get achieved in an appropriate manner when peoples feelings are hurt....

Melcar, I know your a smart guy...and conspiracies are a joke....lol. I only deal with proof Not to say that some conspiracies have turned out more than true....
 
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I'm not saying it's all legit, I'm just saying that people always take weird things personal. That's like getting angry at the insurance company because they don't care about you...


I'm just saying don't take things personal....things do not get achieved in an appropriate manner when peoples feelings are hurt....

Melcar, I know your a smart guy...and conspiracies are a joke....lol. I only deal with proof Not to say that some conspiracies have turned out more than true....
That's the thing. Both sides are playing the mob mentality "We care about you" and most people are eating it up. They fail to see the other aspects of the debate like government control, freedom of data flow, necessities of demand, the needs of innovation, etc.
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There is no conspiracy, and there is no "bad guy" here. Read the FAQ, it explains it well.

The point is, there is bandwidth, there are bandwidth owners, and there are bandwidth consumers. Bandwidth, on the internet, generally refers to the fiber optic "backbones": there are many companies who own at least some "backbone", but only a few who are considered "Tier One"; companies that pay no other provider for access, because everyone they deal with needs their own network for interconnection as much as they need the other party's. Got it?

So AT&T (clearly Tier One even before they merged with SBC) doesn't pay anyone, and Verizon doesn't pay anyone, but Comcast has to pay someone (I don't know who, and it isn't relevant) for IP transit to make their network fully interconnect.

So let's say Comcast's residential users suddenly start using vastly more bandwidth over the portions of its network it pays transit for because they suddenly discovered a new application. We'll call this application tnerrot. Suddenly Comcast has higher costs, but doesn't want to raise prices because only tnerrot users are causing this. It makes sense just to deprioritize that traffic; to "re-calibrate" their network so tnerrot users aren't raising everyone's costs.

Of course, that's exactly what Comcast did, and now the FCC seems inclined to annoy them about it. I tend to be against net neutrality generally due to the administrative and cost gains of abandoning the concept, but I see the arguments on both sides.
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No one does
Haha
QFT!



NN is such bull****, we shouldn't have this problem in the first place.
But according to the laws of economics, where money can be made, money will be made.
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