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OK, Free get 4.5/5? ***? It's not like they can even claim you have to buy blank media, Canonical will send you Ubuntu completely free, no shipping, no cost whatsoever. That's a joke.

The installation? Ubuntu was easy, fill in the boxes, hit next. Windows Vista made me take out all hard drives except the one I was installing on, unplug all USB devices, wiped my boot sector without giving me a choice, and BSODed on my first update. Yeah, easy.

Giving Ubuntu a bad Interface score is a joke. You do not need to use the terminal, I don't know if they were using 6.04 or do not understand how to use the GUI, but It just is not so any more.

As to getting 4 for bundled software, while Windows gets 3 and a half, What?

The GIMP vs Paint
OpenOffice.org vs Works (Does that even come with it?)
Pidgin vs Windows Messenger
gEdit vs Notepad

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Windows Vista has no lack of bundled software, but it runs the gamut in usefulness. Improvements in programs—among them the slick Internet Explorer 7 (especially slick when compared with Safari on the Mac, a bad browser), Windows Mail, and Vista Calendar—give it an extra leg up. Vista is the first Microsoft OS to include anti-malware software: Windows Defender. But is that a plus or a minus?
a) Internet Explorer is not a better browser than Safari. Whoever wrote that should be burnt at the stake. IE 7 renders worse than safari. It fails at being a browser. It's beaten by Firefox/Epiphany (I forget what is packaged with Ubuntu these days).
b) Windows Mail/Calender are beaten by Evolution.
c) If it had a decent security in the first place, Defender would be unnecicary.

I'm sorry, but it wins on all fronts, and Macs just don't beat Ubuntu either. Ubuntu should be getting 5/5 and Windows 2-3/5. The difference is huge.

Third-Party software, I'm sorry, but the huge library of Open Source software out there with a package manager clearly beats the commercial Windows model hands down. They just say because you can buy stuff for Windows, it's better. That's a joke.

Drivers are a problem, but they mark Ubuntu down really harshly in comparison to how they mark down the others during other tests, and it really isn't so bad these days.

Networking? Linux is known for being better at the job, and they basically say it's a lack of drivers... Uh, wasn't that the last test? I'm sorry, but Linux networking works extremely well in most cases, and wireless cards can be replaced by WAPs if you want to make the effort.

Giving Windows such a high score for security is yet another joke. Yes, Linux and Macs are not invulnerable, but they are a damn sight more secure than most Windows installs, and you don't need to buy Antivirus/Firewall solutions either.

All in all, Office Drone should have been Ubuntu. The office is an area where Ubuntu will generally work fine - common generic hardware that generally has good support, no specific application demands (OO.org will be fine). Photographer should have been Macs, I'm sorry, but a pro will use a Mac and Photoshop. 'Working' with Cameras is a non-issue. All you need is a CF card reader and any OS supports any decent DSLR.
Gaming is only there because of the support, Millions are wrong, and we are trapped because of it.
Macs are nice and all, but their role can easily be replaced by Linux if you don't want to spend the money, and/or you want to tinker with stuff.

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Those are horrible things to judge upon... Honestly, how to Apple win in that? Um... Something like 90% of people have Windows... Not to mention what you can do... Games? Every other average application? This is retarded.
Something like 90% of people buy pre-built PCs - doesn't mean they are doing what is best. 99% of applications have good open source alternatives, Games are the last real issue.
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OK, Free get 4.5/5? ***? It's not like they can even claim you have to buy blank media, Canonical will send you Ubuntu completely free, no shipping, no cost whatsoever. That's a joke.

The installation? Ubuntu was easy, fill in the boxes, hit next. Windows Vista made me take out all hard drives except the one I was installing on, unplug all USB devices, wiped my boot sector without giving me a choice, and BSODed on my first update. Yeah, easy.

Giving Ubuntu a bad Interface score is a joke. You do not need to use the terminal, I don't know if they were using 6.04 or do not understand how to use the GUI, but It just is not so any more.

As to getting 4 for bundled software, while Windows gets 3 and a half, What?

The GIMP vs Paint
OpenOffice.org vs Works (Does that even come with it?)
Pidgin vs Windows Messenger
gEdit vs Notepad

I'm sorry, but it wins on all fronts, and Macs just don't beat Ubuntu either.

Third-Party software, I'm sorry, but the huge library of Open Source software out there with a package manager clearly beats the commercial Windows model hands down. They just say because you can buy stuff for Windows, it's better. That's a joke.

Drivers are a problem, but they mark Ubuntu down really harshly in comparison to how they mark down the others during other tests, and it really isn't so bad these days.

Networking? Linux is known for being better at the job, and they basically say it's a lack of drivers... Uh, wasn't that the last test? I'm sorry, but Linux networking works extremely well in most cases, and wireless cards can be replaced by WAPs if you want to make the effort.

Giving Windows such a high score for security is yet another joke. Yes, Linux and Macs are not invulnerable, but they are a damn sight more secure than most Windows installs, and you don't need to buy Antivirus/Firewall solutions either.

All in all, Office Drone should have been Ubuntu. The office is an area where Ubuntu will generally work fine - common generic hardware that generally has good support, no specific application demands (OO.org will be fine). Photographer should have been Macs, I'm sorry, but a pro will use a Mac and Photoshop. 'Working' with Cameras is a non-issue. All you need is a CF card reader and any OS supports any decent DSLR.
Gaming is only there because of the support, Millions are wrong, and we are trapped because of it.
Macs are nice and all, but their role can easily be replaced by Linux if you don't want to spend the money, and/or you want to tinker with stuff.



Something like 90% of people buy pre-built PCs - doesn't mean they are doing what is best. 99% of applications have good open source alternatives, Games are the last real issue.
Calm down dood, besides windows, I would go linux. Even tho osx/lep is kind of a pretty unix that costs money. Lawl.

You get the point tho, we both agree that this chart is fail.
    
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this chart is fail.
Sums up the entire thread. Thank you
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The GIMP vs Paint
I'll take paint any day, The GIMP is just what it sounds like, its gimped, meaning that its ridiculously clumsy and counter-intuitive.
    
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I'll take paint any day, The GIMP is just what it sounds like, its gimped, meaning that its ridiculously clumsy and counter-intuitive.

If all you're going to do is simple vector drawing and stuff, then yes, Gimp is a bit too much, but then you also have simple Paint-like programs in Linux as well.
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"Linux is only free if your time is worthless."

I would use that to explain the 4.5/5 for the price of Ubuntu.
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"Linux is only free if your time is worthless."

I would use that to explain the 4.5/5 for the price of Ubuntu.
How exactly is learning a new OS worthless?
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How exactly is learning a new OS worthless?
Maybe I should explain. The average user would rather pay for an OS that requires less configuring then learn to configure it themselves. I use many flavors of Linux myself, but that is because the field I am in requires that. For the average user, at least right now, the curve is still too steep in the configuration.
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The installation? Ubuntu was easy, fill in the boxes, hit next. Windows Vista made me take out all hard drives except the one I was installing on, unplug all USB devices, wiped my boot sector without giving me a choice, and BSODed on my first update. Yeah, easy.
It differs from user to user, my first ubuntu installation was fine. But i hated the bootloader GRUB i think, i had no problems with vista installation. I think it did hang a few times, but i don't know if that was the cd or what. But can't really blame vista for that.

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Giving Ubuntu a bad Interface score is a joke. You do not need to use the terminal, I don't know if they were using 6.04 or do not understand how to use the GUI, but It just is not so any more.
Think it goes deeper than the gui, vista has a awesome search. Changing icon size, the preview thumbnails.

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As to getting 4 for bundled software, while Windows gets 3 and a half, What?

The GIMP vs Paint
OpenOffice.org vs Works (Does that even come with it?)
Pidgin vs Windows Messenger
gEdit vs Notepad
No vista home premium does not come with office, just notepad and wordpad
Windows live messenger is fine, it does what a messenger should do, deliver messages.
I love notepad for small things.

There's a lot more bundled software than you mentioned.
Windows movie maker
The games are fun
Media player
Media center
Sidebar
Paint
New image viewer is amazing as well. Can open multiple instances of pictures and it can play videos as well, but can't play a goddamn .gif

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a) Internet Explorer is not a better browser than Safari. Whoever wrote that should be burnt at the stake. IE 7 renders worse than safari. It fails at being a browser. It's beaten by Firefox/Epiphany (I forget what is packaged with Ubuntu these days).
b) Windows Mail/Calender are beaten by Evolution.
c) If it had a decent security in the first place, Defender would be unnecicary.
a) IE is fine, but it's too much like firefox without the features.
b) Don't use it so meh
c) Defender is unnecessary

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I'm sorry, but it wins on all fronts, and Macs just don't beat Ubuntu either. Ubuntu should be getting 5/5 and Windows 2-3/5. The difference is huge.
That just made you look like a HUGE fanboy
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Third-Party software, I'm sorry, but the huge library of Open Source software out there with a package manager clearly beats the commercial Windows model hands down. They just say because you can buy stuff for Windows, it's better. That's a joke.
Clearly beats it ? so if you have 2 options. Pay for software to have it (windows) not to mention that there is a free version of basically anything or don't pay and don't get anything

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Giving Windows such a high score for security is yet another joke. Yes, Linux and Macs are not invulnerable, but they are a damn sight more secure than most Windows installs, and you don't need to buy Antivirus/Firewall solutions either.
Why ? i don't get hacked every other day in windows. I still have a hard time believing ubuntu didn't get max points in security and price.

I'll stop now, the list is crap. Someone probably got paid off.
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You guys do know that OOo, GIMP, Firefox, and lots of other open-source programs you parade around with while wearing the Linux hat are for Windows too, right?

Security is easy on all of those operating systems. Most of the best free security programs are for all three OS's anyway.

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Maybe I should explain. The average user would rather pay for an OS that requires less configuring then learn to configure it themselves. I use many flavors of Linux myself, but that is because the field I am in requires that. For the average user, at least right now, the curve is still too steep in the configuration.
Yes.

Through a new user's eyes, Linux is not easy. Of course, Linux users take it to the next level with sayings like "Ubuntu means Slackware is too hard for me". Way to get your favorite OS out there. Nice.
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