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Easy to use and made for noobies are nowhere near the same thing. Yes, Mac OS X is easy to use, easy to do what you wish with it, but by no means is it made for noobies. Leopard is fully based on UNIX, and I believe has a UNIX certification, and it works very well on a lot of different things. Right now I'm encoding a ton of videos, running a web server to test out scripts, ripping a DVD, downloading a bunch of torrents, and doing design work in Photoshop. It is quite easy to do all of this stuff on my Macbook, but I am a noobie for doing this stuff on a Mac rather than with Windows? Certainly not.

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I agree Ubuntu is not given enough credit, but the extra star here and there it deserved is nothing compared to the silliness of giving OS/X (which is after all basically a distribution of linux) so many stars...
How is Mac OS X in any way similar to a distribution of Linux, though? Sure, they both have UNIX certification, but they use drastically different kernels and API's, which in turn gives them entirely different backgrounds.
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Then use it

Come on, anyone who makes that statement is automatically laughable. If you didn't know Macs can use multi-button mice (and their own mouse is multi-button), then all the smart people should know that you have no idea what you're talking about, and they should avoid reading your posts.

No, that would only further put OSX in the lead. OSX is made for noobies, therefore someone who had never seen a computer before would catch onto OSX first and say it's the best.
1. I know you can use multi-buttons on the mac, the use of different strokes on laptop touchpads is pretty convenient, but this isn't standard and is a bit annoying.

2. I am not suggesting doing this test over a week, do it over a month. You could probably even do a computer simulation with controlled personality traits and learning perameters for an AI. Basically rearing a 'person' on an OS. Giving them different tasks and seeing how it copes. This owuld be interesting, if possible, with regards to all sorts of trouble shooting and OS/program use.
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I need my 2,3, 7+ buttons on my mouse...

On a serious note (although I am serious about the mouse), I think a lot of these reviews are biased by the reviewers previous experiences. To achieve a totally unbiased review (at least for interface and ease of use), you would need to get a totally naive person and test things like how fast and accurately they can complete different tasks.

Everyone else has addressed many of the other issues with the review.
Every OS on there can use those buttons of which you desire, my friend.
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Easy to use and made for noobies are nowhere near the same thing. Yes, Mac OS X is easy to use, easy to do what you wish with it, but by no means is it made for noobies. Leopard is fully based on UNIX, and I believe has a UNIX certification, and it works very well on a lot of different things. Right now I'm encoding a ton of videos, running a web server to test out scripts, ripping a DVD, downloading a bunch of torrents, and doing design work in Photoshop. It is quite easy to do all of this stuff on my Macbook, but I am a noobie for doing this stuff on a Mac rather than with Windows? Certainly not.
Hey, don't get we wrong. I'm not saying only noobs should use OSX. I use it as well, and I consider myself very literate in computers. The reason I prefer it is because it's so low maintenance and does what I want my way.

But seriously, it is the easiest OS to learn, and that's why I'm saying it's good for computer noobs (like the ones who conducted this here "test" for this article).

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1. I know you can use multi-buttons on the mac, the use of different strokes on laptop touchpads is pretty convenient, but this isn't standard and is a bit annoying.
Wrong again. The mouse has touch sensors and can differentiate between left and right clicks... It is standard...

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2. I am not suggesting doing this test over a week, do it over a month. You could probably even do a computer simulation with controlled personality traits and learning perameters for an AI. Basically rearing a 'person' on an OS. Giving them different tasks and seeing how it copes. This owuld be interesting, if possible, with regards to all sorts of trouble shooting and OS/program use.
Again, I honestly believe OSX would win in the "easy" department. If you were to give a person who had never seen one before a computer, he would pick up on OSX the fastest.

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Every OS on there can use those buttons of which you desire, my friend.
Aww, astroz being fair
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It differs from user to user, my first ubuntu installation was fine. But i hated the bootloader GRUB i think, i had no problems with vista installation. I think it did hang a few times, but i don't know if that was the cd or what. But can't really blame vista for that.
It's different for everyone, but I still don't think Ubuntu is hard to install.

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Think it goes deeper than the gui, vista has a awesome search. Changing icon size, the preview thumbnails.
Beagle is just as good as, if not better than, windows search.

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No vista home premium does not come with office, just notepad and wordpad
Windows live messenger is fine, it does what a messenger should do, deliver messages.
I love notepad for small things.
Yeah, but Windows Live Messenger only connects to MSN, with Pidgin, I can talk on Jabber, MSN, AIM, Yahoo IM - I have contacts on them all, and hence that is very useful. It also has lots of other features.
gEdit > Notepad - code highlighting, tabs, etc...

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There's a lot more bundled software than you mentioned.
Windows movie maker
The games are fun
Media player
Media center
Sidebar
Paint
New image viewer is amazing as well. Can open multiple instances of pictures and it can play videos as well, but can't play a goddamn .gif

a) IE is fine, but it's too much like firefox without the features.
b) Don't use it so meh
c) Defender is unnecessary
IE sucks. It can not render web pages. How many times do I have to say this to people? Rendering pages is the point of a browser, and IE sucks at it.

All of the software you mention has better alternatives - Eye of Gnome beats the windows image viewer out of the water. Media player is owned by mplayer or totem, etc...

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That just made you look like a HUGE fanboy
No, I was talking about bundled software only at that time.
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Clearly beats it ? so if you have 2 options. Pay for software to have it (windows) not to mention that there is a free version of basically anything or don't pay and don't get anything
A Package manager does beat the commercial model hands down.
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Why ? i don't get hacked every other day in windows. I still have a hard time believing ubuntu didn't get max points in security and price.
Windows security is abysmal. The fact of the matter is that Windows software uses privalages they should not need all of the time.
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I'll stop now, the list is crap. Someone probably got paid off.
Indeed.

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I'll take paint any day, The GIMP is just what it sounds like, its gimped, meaning that its ridiculously clumsy and counter-intuitive.
The GIMP's interface is great once you get used to it - for people like me with multiple monitors, it's a godsend.

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And that's why Paypal warns every Safari users not to use Paypal due to its lack of security, how the hell is that a secure OS? And what kind of OS write codes to slow down Mozilla Firefox so Safari remains better?
Because Paypal presumes it's users are idiots. Safari is not a bad browser, it just missed out a feature that told you someone might be attempting to phish you - it's a 'feature' I turn off because it annoys me - I can see a phishing attempt myself. Macs are secure.
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Ubuntu and other Linux based OS's are great, although, I cannot seem to get them to install on my computer (does not recognize my hard drive). But yeah, Mac OSX is known for installation and easy of use, but it is very limited OS with tons of DRM infested crap. And isn't it built off of Unix? I do not like that comparison chart at all.
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Beagle is just as good as, if not better than, windows search.
Beagle is not built into linux, the new search is. It is available in every single window you open. It searches as you type. Beagle does not seem to be that way. But it looks like it has more depth

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Yeah, but Windows Live Messenger only connects to MSN, with Pidgin, I can talk on Jabber, MSN, AIM, Yahoo IM - I have contacts on them all, and hence that is very useful. It also has lots of other features.
gEdit > Notepad - code highlighting, tabs, etc...
Never used pidgin so i can't comment, but msn is fine for me. Especially since i just use it to check email and talk to friends who are offline. But even that isn't too often

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IE sucks. It can not render web pages. How many times do I have to say this to people? Rendering pages is the point of a browser, and IE sucks at it.

All of the software you mention has better alternatives - Eye of Gnome beats the windows image viewer out of the water. Media player is owned by mplayer or totem, etc...
I do not know what rendering a page means, and i don't pretend to know it.
Mostly all sites work fine with IE and most java or flash games as well. Firefox still has the problem with the occasional game.
The new image viewer can have multiple instances of itself AND it can play videos. Are you naming a whole bunch of programs that don't come with linux ? everything i named is built into vista.

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A Package manager does beat the commercial model hands down.
Don't know what is going on here

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Windows security is abysmal. The fact of the matter is that Windows software uses privalages they should not need all of the time.
The fact of the matter is i don't get hacked, or compromised often or even occasionally. And every computer in my house doesn't have that problem either

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Indeed
At least we agreed on something
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Seems like one of the least scientific analyses I've ever seen. How Fox-esque .

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Aww, astroz being fair
I always wanted to say something like that =P

These guys, I believe, needed to a) Get ubuntu working RIGHT before they reviewed it, and actually learn how to use it first...evidently someone just shoved a PC with broken Ubuntu on it to them and said "Review it"...b) Notice more about PCs than that printer, since printers evidently make OSX better hardware-wise than all of that Ubuntu-compatible hardware....and c) You know what...they just need to give up writing about PCs altogether, too many things that need to be changed...

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but...when OSX wins overall, wouldn't you recommend it to more than just a Videographer and Musician O_o
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erm its giving OSX a good price.....but ALL the times i have seen it, its the same price as a windows upgrade ie £80 aka $160 which is MORE than oem XP Pro/Vista home premium
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