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Well Intels Graphics suck and i belive they will continue to suck if their "if you want it, pony up" attitude continues. Though with AMDs new IGP being about as powerful as a 7900 it makes me wonder.

Though with consoles being cheaper than PCs:

PC: $1300
Intel Core 2 Duo E6550
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X360 : $1500
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Microsoft Xbox 360 Wireless Controller
Microsoft Xbox 360 HDMI AV Cable
Microsoft Xbox Live Gold 12 Month Subscription Card
Microsoft Xbox 360 Play and Charge Kit
Mass effect
Call of dudy 4
Burnout paridise
Assassins creed

Respectfully if you want to play the 360 in all its glory it ends up costing more than a mid-range gaming rig. If you want to play it on a regular TV in half-assed 480p be my guest, but i wont.

please stop quoting consoles as being a "mere $350" it only costs $350 if you want a white box to keep you company while you dont play any games, play with friends, or enjoy high-def goodness.
see thats what it will cost you. console gaming can be much cheaper, you just chose to pick expensive things. you do not need HDMI, a flat panel, a wireless controller, play and charge kit, or a live account. the 360 is very playable with out those things. you just threw those extra things in there to justify the price of proving your point. also HD gaming is not a necessity, its nice yea, but it isn't mandatory.

it more like 679.99 for:
X360 :
Console
$279.99

8 random games $50

(this is under the assumption you have A TV not a flat screen. since most people who play games already have a working TV)

you dont need 1080p/i or 720p to play a game. that just comes to personal preference.

and if you absolutely need a 37 inch flat screen, you can get one that does 720p for 649.99(at time of posting) and that will bring the price to $1328.99. a whole 29 dollars more and you get double the games the PC build you said has.

and the 360 arcade pack comes with games. Also there is the package deal where you buy a 360 and get 2 free games in the box. so you can just buy a 360 without anything else and just play.

if your gonna post something like that, at least try to make it so your actually right instead of just talking out of your as s.
    
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see thats what it will cost you. console gaming can be much cheaper, you just chose to pick expensive things. you do not need HDMI, a flat panel, a wireless controller, play and charge kit, or a live account. the 360 is very playable with out those things. you just threw those extra things in there to justify the price of proving your point. also HD gaming is not a necessity, its nice yea, but it isn't mandatory.

it more like 679.99 for:
X360 :
Console
$279.99

8 random games $50

(this is under the assumption you have A TV not a flat screen. since most people who play games already have a working TV)

you dont need 1080p/i or 720p to play a game. that just comes to personal preference.

and if you absolutely need a 37 inch flat screen, you can get one that does 720p for 649.99(at time of posting) and that will bring the price to $1328.99. a whole 29 dollars more and you get double the games the PC build you said has.

and the 360 arcade pack comes with games. Also there is the package deal where you buy a 360 and get 2 free games in the box. so you can just buy a 360 without anything else and just play.

if your gonna post something like that, at least try to make it so your actually right instead of just talking out of your as s.

yes, but the computer you're most likely to have it in your home anyway. just add a decent graphic card and you have a gaming machine. even with value ram and an e2xxx serie you'll be able to get something good out of it with just a 8800GT.
    
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see thats what it will cost you. console gaming can be much cheaper, you just chose to pick expensive things. you do not need HDMI, a flat panel, a wireless controller, play and charge kit, or a live account. the 360 is very playable with out those things. you just threw those extra things in there to justify the price of proving your point. also HD gaming is not a necessity, its nice yea, but it isn't mandatory.

it more like 679.99 for:
X360 :
Console
$279.99

8 random games $50

(this is under the assumption you have A TV not a flat screen. since most people who play games already have a working TV)

you dont need 1080p/i or 720p to play a game. that just comes to personal preference.

and if you absolutely need a 37 inch flat screen, you can get one that does 720p for 649.99(at time of posting) and that will bring the price to $1328.99. a whole 29 dollars more and you get double the games the PC build you said has.

and the 360 arcade pack comes with games. Also there is the package deal where you buy a 360 and get 2 free games in the box. so you can just buy a 360 without anything else and just play.

if your gonna post something like that, at least try to make it so your actually right instead of just talking out of your as s.
You may get double the games that the PC has, but you can only play games on it.......a PC can do MUCH more. I got tired of consoles, as the games have WAY less replay value (no mods, new maps, etc.), and it was mainly money wasted. The console just ended up collecting dust.
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X360 : $1500
Microsoft Xbox 360 Deluxe
Westinghouse Silver & Black 37" 16:9 8ms 1080p
Microsoft Xbox 360 Wireless Controller
Microsoft Xbox 360 HDMI AV Cable
Microsoft Xbox Live Gold 12 Month Subscription Card
Microsoft Xbox 360 Play and Charge Kit
Mass effect
Call of dudy 4
Burnout paridise
Assassins creed

Respectfully if you want to play the 360 in all its glory it ends up costing more than a mid-range gaming rig. If you want to play it on a regular TV in half-assed 480p be my guest, but i wont.

please stop quoting consoles as being a "mere $350" it only costs $350 if you want a white box to keep you company while you dont play any games, play with friends, or enjoy high-def goodness.
Or you can save about $450 from the above and still get 1080p with:

BenQ G2400W 24" 1080p HDMI Monitor - $389.99
Link Depot 6' HDMI Cable - $4.99
    
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This is in Canadian funds and on sale products. But you can shave more money on the CPU, since the 2180 is good enough for the 9600GT. Also, the sound card can be taken out if onboard is good enough for most. For 50 more, you can have it put together and tested for you at NCIX.

What I am saying is, Computers in the long run are cheaper. And it can be much easier to maintain if people start installing the proper protection software and at least run once a month an antispyware scan and defrag.
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"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!"

I choose PC... me... I... myself...

edit: Just read the article and one persons opinion and feelings looking at the industry will have very little effect on the industry... so far is doesn't seem to be a brilliant interview IMO anyway...
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This is in Canadian funds and on sale products. But you can shave more money on the CPU, since the 2180 is good enough for the 9600GT. Also, the sound card can be taken out if onboard is good enough for most. For 50 more, you can have it put together and tested for you at NCIX.

What I am saying is, Computers in the long run are cheaper. And it can be much easier to maintain if people start installing the proper protection software and at least run once a month an antispyware scan and defrag.
PC's aren't cheaper in the long run, they are more expensive in the long run because they require upgrading of key critical components. Also, for all of these "budget" rigs, how long do you think you will be able to play the most current games, heck, these budget rigs will barely eek out Crysis.

Point of the matter is, games for console are made to work within the specifications and hardware of the console. Games for PC are made with much less regard for the hardware requirements that will be needed in order to operate decently. Hence why very few systems really run Crysis well with all the eye candy, why Vid card makers are releasing new stuff every quarter or so, why we are all here trying to squeeze an extra 100MHz out of our systems. For the non-enthusiast you have to upgrade your system so frequently to get decent gameplay that it ends up being a turn off.
    
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You may get double the games that the PC has, but you can only play games on it.......a PC can do MUCH more. I got tired of consoles, as the games have WAY less replay value (no mods, new maps, etc.), and it was mainly money wasted. The console just ended up collecting dust.
well the argument is which is cheaper to buy and play. yes the PC can do more but the console is a cheaper way of playing some of the same games. im not disputing the pc is a better buy for money in some cases in the long run. but since the pricing of things is being brought into question, it stands that consoles have the better price point.
    
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yes, but the computer you're most likely to have it in your home anyway. just add a decent graphic card and you have a gaming machine. even with value ram and an e2xxx serie you'll be able to get something good out of it with just a 8800GT.
but you have to take into account that part of the argument is that people don't know anything about computers. When im at best buy selling a computer with a 8600GT tv tuner, I get confused looks. People ask me what does the video card do, why do i need a good video card, and etc. These people don't know what they need to know when buying a computer. much less then building one. They pray and hope me and other associates can tell them exactly what they need.

Hell i've sold a desktop with anti-virus, anti-spy ware, and having your updates all installed by geeksquad for 129. then i charge them 39 dollars to install a printer and then another 59 dollars to install office. I tell customers that you have to have it done by geeksquad or else it will be screwed up by someone else if they do it. Do I like telling them that? No. Is it my job to tell them that? Yes. Sometimes when people walk in, i tell them to just find someone they know to build a computer for them and it come out almost half as much as the equivalent.

As stated earlier on in the thread. You have to put your self in the shoes of someone who doesn't know anything about computers or building them. Only then you will see why those who are saying, "Just buy so and so parts" are getting the point. It's easy to buy the parts, but then you also have to research what parts you need, the type of cnnections they use, and what not.

I'm pretty sure if you knew nothing about building a car, you wouldn't try building a car. Instead you would say screw it and just go buy a brand new one. Thats exactly what is going on. These people never thought of a computer beyond a flashy screen with some buttons. When i show them the internals of the computers i get shocked replies like "Omg you crazy for opening the computer up when it's on".

Yes we know you can build a computer, but can your best friend's mom do it? Most cases, no.
    
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I think a big problem is that people arent educated on the difference between integrated graphics and an actual graphics card...and stores like best buy and other places dont carry anything even remotely good for gaming
Plus with a huge push for people to buy laptops they are missing out on the performance desktops offer. I've been frustrated because Georgia Tech is requiring incoming freshmen to have a laptop. Not everyone can afford to have both, so usually they just get a laptop and some console. But to be honest with you, the only class I take my laptop to it computer science. All others I just take notes on paper, like everyone else.
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